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Some positive comments on https://twitter.com/manairportPRESS from today's RunwayUK event at MAN.
Sir Howard Davies...
"It's crucial Stansted, Birmingham and Manchester develop more long haul routes."
"Capacity issues at LHR and LGW offer opportunities to regional airports through passenger and destination growth."
"No new capacity in London and South East until late 2020s."
More tweets being added all the time. Worth watching...
Sir Howard Davies...
"It's crucial Stansted, Birmingham and Manchester develop more long haul routes."
"Capacity issues at LHR and LGW offer opportunities to regional airports through passenger and destination growth."
"No new capacity in London and South East until late 2020s."
More tweets being added all the time. Worth watching...
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Manchester does seem to be doing quite well with long-haul at the moment, but is there room for more?
That T2 terminal extension would be very usefull indeed, as would many other bits of infrastructure. Not to mention a remake of T1/T3.
Heathrow is limited by runway capacity, I would hazard a guess that manchester is limited by ground-capacity. Both terminals and taxiways.
That T2 terminal extension would be very usefull indeed, as would many other bits of infrastructure. Not to mention a remake of T1/T3.
Heathrow is limited by runway capacity, I would hazard a guess that manchester is limited by ground-capacity. Both terminals and taxiways.
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Long haul certainly is good.
Terminal capacity in the morning is now what is desperately needed.
Ryanair has already been turned down for 10 based next summer, constant 'no-Div' notams, Cathay/Singapore having to fight for gate space and only 1 A380 contact stand.
Lets hope MAN act soon....
Terminal capacity in the morning is now what is desperately needed.
Ryanair has already been turned down for 10 based next summer, constant 'no-Div' notams, Cathay/Singapore having to fight for gate space and only 1 A380 contact stand.
Lets hope MAN act soon....
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Some of us have been concerned for some time about MAN'a capacity issues at peak periods, notably mornings, for terminals, taxiways and stands. I realise the airport can't build plenty of suplus stands on the off chance they get a few diversions, but the present 'No divs except emergencies' notam surely indicated there is an issue.
It is also strange if the current infrastructure plans are continually changing as others have suggested. Refined, yes, but from reports on here, it appears there has been some drastic rethinking. I gather that T2 is first for expansion but I'm still not clear what the plans are for T3 - to be extended, demolished or what?
Regarding Ryanair, I recall MOL commenting when the airline returned to MAN, that they would expand as fast as MAN wanted them to. I don't think Easyjet have been constrained at LGW with what 60 plus based a/c so it's unfortunate if RYR really did want to base 10 a/c here next summer and were told it wasn't possible. Mind you, an increase from 6 to the rumoured 8 would be very acceptable if MAN can manage that!
It is also strange if the current infrastructure plans are continually changing as others have suggested. Refined, yes, but from reports on here, it appears there has been some drastic rethinking. I gather that T2 is first for expansion but I'm still not clear what the plans are for T3 - to be extended, demolished or what?
Regarding Ryanair, I recall MOL commenting when the airline returned to MAN, that they would expand as fast as MAN wanted them to. I don't think Easyjet have been constrained at LGW with what 60 plus based a/c so it's unfortunate if RYR really did want to base 10 a/c here next summer and were told it wasn't possible. Mind you, an increase from 6 to the rumoured 8 would be very acceptable if MAN can manage that!
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Mind you, an increase from 6 to the rumoured 8 would be very acceptable if MAN can manage that!
Ryanair were 7 based in summer 2014, so next year would only be an increase of 1.
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Sorry hang on.
MAG have said to Ryanair "Sorry you can't have ten based aircraft." It's a bit Monty Python, just imagine that meeting for a moment. We are the Knights who say "no"....
That's a serious claim about Manchester Airport or ramp gossip?
Cos if that were really true, would MOL not be crucifying them in the media? It's not beyond the wit of someone with a degree of ambition to solve that problem. Buy a handful more busses and job done, remote off stand summer parking isn't maxed out like winter time.
MAG have said to Ryanair "Sorry you can't have ten based aircraft." It's a bit Monty Python, just imagine that meeting for a moment. We are the Knights who say "no"....
That's a serious claim about Manchester Airport or ramp gossip?
Cos if that were really true, would MOL not be crucifying them in the media? It's not beyond the wit of someone with a degree of ambition to solve that problem. Buy a handful more busses and job done, remote off stand summer parking isn't maxed out like winter time.
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Further to the earlier posting regarding Small Planet flights for Cosmos Holidays.
Currently they are showing flights to Corfu (Monday) Chania and Heraklion (Tuesday) Kos (Wednesday) Zante (Thursday) Skiathos (Friday) and Kefallinia (Saturday & Sunday) according to the booking engine, so not sure if all of these will operate ?
Small Planet had operated in Summer 2014 to Chania, Kos and Skiathos from Manchester(for Olympic Holidays ???) so not sure if these will combine next year ?
However, it does look as though there will be additional flights to go a small way to making up some of the lost Monarch Airlines IT passengers.
Currently they are showing flights to Corfu (Monday) Chania and Heraklion (Tuesday) Kos (Wednesday) Zante (Thursday) Skiathos (Friday) and Kefallinia (Saturday & Sunday) according to the booking engine, so not sure if all of these will operate ?
Small Planet had operated in Summer 2014 to Chania, Kos and Skiathos from Manchester(for Olympic Holidays ???) so not sure if these will combine next year ?
However, it does look as though there will be additional flights to go a small way to making up some of the lost Monarch Airlines IT passengers.
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Skipness, I did say "if" based on what has been suggested here and on another site regarding Ryanair wanting 10 based.
Apologies LAX LHR if it was 7 based this summer. I've seen both 6 & 7 quoted and couldn't remember whether or not there was an increase in 2014.
Apologies LAX LHR if it was 7 based this summer. I've seen both 6 & 7 quoted and couldn't remember whether or not there was an increase in 2014.
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Just looked at the Ryanair site for August, and it seems there will be 8 based aircraft.
8 aircraft are needed on Mon, Wed and Sat, with 7 on Tue, Thu, Fri and Sun.
There are also some increases for at least August on:
MAD: from 5 to 6 weekly
LIS: from 4 to 5 weekly
CFU: from 2 to 3 weekly*
BUD: 3 to 4 weekly
BGY: from 7 to 8 weekly
FAO: from 10 to 11 weekly
ALC: from 10 to 12 weekly
ACE: from 3 to 5 weekly
AGP: from 10 to 12 weekly
TFS: from 7 to 8 weekly
BZR: from 2 to 3 weekly*
*Im sure CFU and BZR were only 2 weekly this summer but someone can confirm.
Reductions:
WMI: from 3 to 2 weekly
REU: from 2 to 1 weekly
Not loaded yet:
PFO, BIQ and BRE.
All based on 10-17th August.
8 aircraft are needed on Mon, Wed and Sat, with 7 on Tue, Thu, Fri and Sun.
There are also some increases for at least August on:
MAD: from 5 to 6 weekly
LIS: from 4 to 5 weekly
CFU: from 2 to 3 weekly*
BUD: 3 to 4 weekly
BGY: from 7 to 8 weekly
FAO: from 10 to 11 weekly
ALC: from 10 to 12 weekly
ACE: from 3 to 5 weekly
AGP: from 10 to 12 weekly
TFS: from 7 to 8 weekly
BZR: from 2 to 3 weekly*
*Im sure CFU and BZR were only 2 weekly this summer but someone can confirm.
Reductions:
WMI: from 3 to 2 weekly
REU: from 2 to 1 weekly
Not loaded yet:
PFO, BIQ and BRE.
All based on 10-17th August.
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CFU was two weekly this summer so was WMI. BZR was two weekly also this year. It was only showing as two weekly for S15 a couple of days ago.
Be aware that FR are adding some extra flight purely in August for some destinations which can distort the overall picture.
In light of reports of 8 frames I haven't checked the full timetable as yet
CFU was two weekly this summer so was WMI. BZR was two weekly also this year. It was only showing as two weekly for S15 a couple of days ago.
Be aware that FR are adding some extra flight purely in August for some destinations which can distort the overall picture.
In light of reports of 8 frames I haven't checked the full timetable as yet
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I was aware that Ryanair are adding peak capacity in August, hence why I said.
Ive checked various dates in May, July, August and Sept, and most days do indeed see 8 based needed.
Ive checked various dates in May, July, August and Sept, and most days do indeed see 8 based needed.
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WHAT ...Sir Howard Davies somehow advocating greater use of Manchester etc ? It must be me, I got the firm impression he was totally and utter dismissive personally. Same old agenda !
In actual fact he said that regional airports could assist ""temporarily. In other words the current expansion at MAN may be short lived AND we will have it all back down in London when we get RW3. Well ta for that.
And what of another comment he made, long haul from Manchester and indeed regional airports in general is more "environmentally damaging".....
From Manchester you can get anywhere in one stop, is that any seriously any worse than one stop specifically via LHR ?
The Q AND A really needed to be longer and more forensic. At not one point did he refer to the meteoric increase in long haul routes/frequency or capacity at Manchester since his commission first sat. I find that incredible, so much for all these airlines migrating to AMS, FRA and CDG !
SEE Sir Richard Leese comments for a more balanced view !
One other small point when the floor suggested SHD look at a proposal by UKIP (who are actually against expansion in the SE ) he suggested "he would examine the detail". I would prefer Manchester to win more routes based on merit and factual evidence.
It just seemed bizarre that centrally placed Manchester with its huge catchment and the best accessibility of any airport in the country and who were after all hosting the event, somehow failed to really communicate that message to the gallery whilst a random question seemingly put forward by a minority party was considered worthy of further investigation !
WHAT ...Sir Howard Davies somehow advocating greater use of Manchester etc ? It must be me, I got the firm impression he was totally and utter dismissive personally. Same old agenda !
In actual fact he said that regional airports could assist ""temporarily. In other words the current expansion at MAN may be short lived AND we will have it all back down in London when we get RW3. Well ta for that.
And what of another comment he made, long haul from Manchester and indeed regional airports in general is more "environmentally damaging".....
From Manchester you can get anywhere in one stop, is that any seriously any worse than one stop specifically via LHR ?
The Q AND A really needed to be longer and more forensic. At not one point did he refer to the meteoric increase in long haul routes/frequency or capacity at Manchester since his commission first sat. I find that incredible, so much for all these airlines migrating to AMS, FRA and CDG !
SEE Sir Richard Leese comments for a more balanced view !
One other small point when the floor suggested SHD look at a proposal by UKIP (who are actually against expansion in the SE ) he suggested "he would examine the detail". I would prefer Manchester to win more routes based on merit and factual evidence.
It just seemed bizarre that centrally placed Manchester with its huge catchment and the best accessibility of any airport in the country and who were after all hosting the event, somehow failed to really communicate that message to the gallery whilst a random question seemingly put forward by a minority party was considered worthy of further investigation !
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Bagso, did nobody think to question Davies as to why more longhaul flights from Manchester were environmentally damaging but more domestic feed from regional airports to LHR would not be?
Is he still blinkered that l/h flights from Manchester, or BHX for that matter, are always half empty while those from LHR are always overbooked?
Is he still blinkered that l/h flights from Manchester, or BHX for that matter, are always half empty while those from LHR are always overbooked?
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Bagso, did nobody think to question Davies as to why more longhaul flights from Manchester were environmentally damaging but more domestic feed from regional airports to LHR would not be? Is he still blinkered that l/h flights from Manchester, or BHX for that matter, are always half empty while those from LHR are always overbooked?
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But Sir Richard told delegates: “We don’t need a hub airport.”
"And he said the regions have ‘disbenefitted’ for years from the lack of investment in every aspect of transport infrastructure."
"He said airports including Manchester had spare running capacity, which would be enhanced by schemes like HS2 and he said millions of passengers wanted to fly from closer to home rather than travelling to London."
"And he said the regions have ‘disbenefitted’ for years from the lack of investment in every aspect of transport infrastructure."
"He said airports including Manchester had spare running capacity, which would be enhanced by schemes like HS2 and he said millions of passengers wanted to fly from closer to home rather than travelling to London."
Council leader slams expansion plans for Heathrow or Gatwick and calls for investment in regional airports - Manchester Evening News
Where we be without Council leaders and made up words? Well, better off usually.....
Main point is that unless airlines can make money with splintered operations from a multiplicity of regional airports they'll focus on hubs to get the benefits of scale. KLM UK to hub AMS is the best example.
Charlie Cornish, Chief executive of MAG, said regional airports were much more than ‘spokes’ to serve a London hub.
He said Manchester could provide many inter-continental routes using overseas airports such as those in the Middle East.
He added: “It’s undoubtedly the case that Eitihad, Emirates and Qatar have created hundreds of jobs in the north-west through their routes into the Middle East.
He said Manchester could provide many inter-continental routes using overseas airports such as those in the Middle East.
He added: “It’s undoubtedly the case that Eitihad, Emirates and Qatar have created hundreds of jobs in the north-west through their routes into the Middle East.
Only the likes of Norwegian and Thomas Cook / Thomson do proper long haul point to point.
