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Old 13th Sep 2017, 12:08   #8521 (permalink)
 
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 12:21   #8522 (permalink)


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I heard United were pulling their UA080 EWR route from MAN too.


Anyone with any information can back this up?
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 12:25   #8523 (permalink)
 
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I believe Edinburgh are losing one of their Newark services to add Washington. It's shuffling aircraft around most likely due to Norwegian.
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I believe Edinburgh are losing one of their Newark services to add Washington. It's shuffling aircraft around most likely due to Norwegian.
I do wonder how much longer the B752s will last so perhaps this could be due for an upgague.
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 20:20   #8525 (permalink)
 
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UA80 isn't being pulled! If anything it is due to be upgraded to a 767. One of the best yielding routes across the Atlantic for UA looking at fares and is regularly sold out and overbooked.
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 20:59   #8526 (permalink)
 
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B787 more likely.
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 21:15   #8527 (permalink)
 
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Apologies if I wasn't clear - not suggesting UA80 to get pulled. Just speculating how much longer their B752 has on TATL routes.

Not sure if UA are buying the A321LR, if not I'd expect the larger aircraft is more likely than the route being pulled.
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 22:22   #8528 (permalink)
 
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I assume an attempt at humour?

Figures from the CAA.

July pax 8557 average 138 pax 82% load factor peak season the equivalent of 31 empty seats on every single flight every single day.

June pax 8109 average 135 - 80% equivalent of 35 empty seats on every flight

May pax 7694 average 124 - 73% equivalent of 45 empty seats on every flight

April pax 7672 average 132 - 78% equivalent of 36 empty seats on every flight

16 business first seats and quote "One of the best yielding routes across the Atlantic for UA " - remarkable.

The only positive aspect is that the 2017 figures are actually better than 2016 which were dire but there again IAD was operating last year.

I would worry or have total faith that yield is mega as BHX had better load factors for 3 of the months quoted above (fewer flights) and look at BHX's next years United schedule............oh yes there isn't one but as the poster said MAN-EWR is one of the most profitable!

With a fairly old 757 on the route and only 16 BF seats I think a bit of realism is needed although I would be surprised if the route disappeared.

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Old 13th Sep 2017, 22:41   #8529 (permalink)
 
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Agreed that realism is required.

However I should point out that (based on the numbers) UA tend to be counter seasonal at MAN for some reason. Take January 2017 for example - 9,461 (91.4% lf).

Obviously within this, some days will be more popular than others. Even in the quieter summer months I would expect days where the flight is overbooked and days where it is very empty. Just the nature of the business.
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 05:13   #8530 (permalink)
 
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You're talking about a route that has lost all the cargo capacity of the DC10 and B777 days. I would be surprised to see it go but it depends on what replaces the ex CO B757 fleet tbh.
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 07:48   #8531 (permalink)
 
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Probably been said before, but I cant remember what CO/UA started with and went to 1x 777, 1xMD11, 2x757 and now the lonesome single 757. Best we can hope for is a lonesome 737MAX upgrade in a few years if the service survives (said in a Eeyore voice).

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Old 14th Sep 2017, 08:49   #8532 (permalink)
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Our flight was an hour late departing (all bar one of the EZY flights in the hour before and after ours were delayed) and boarding was chaotic.

Speedy Boarders were given about 10 seconds head start over every one else (no pre boarding announcements, no call for pax with kids or special needs). The rear doors were only opened part way through the boarding process so there was a long slow wait in the rain for the forward steps.
Yes, EZY appeared to be quite the shambles this weekend.

We finally departed CPH for MAN at 0105, for a 2150 scheduled departure on Sunday. Three different excuses offered by the airline to their staff on the ground, before the captain confirmed the aircraft had been stuck for hours at MAN due to a lack of crew. Passengers on the LGW and EDI flights also had a similar experience.

This was after an hour delay on the way out whilst we were awaiting our pilot to arrive in a taxi from NCL.

Still, I suppose we should count ourselves lucky at managing to get home at 3am on Monday morning - the same Mon and Tue flights both appear to have been cancelled entirely.
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 11:00   #8533 (permalink)
 
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Personally,I think it's pretty equal odds whether United pull the route, continue with a B757 until they are retired, or introduce a larger aircraft, and I've no specific information.

The figures do suggest that UA has suffered over the summer due to increased competition, but loads haven't fallen over a cliff by any means.

Dobbo has a point in that the LF in January this year was 90% and only marginally less in February. What will happen this winter on NY with TCX operating flights as well as VS remains to be seen.

OltonPete, I appreciate seat plans are only a guide but from frequent reviews of both MAN & BHX on the morning of departures, I would suggest that MAN does rather better in the 16 J class seats. I know there are various qualifications re loyalty and free upgrades, discounted business fares that may be available etc. that affect yield but if MAN does better in J, it may well be a decisive factor despite the limited number of seats.

My observations indicated that Economy plus varies considerably but I agree BHX often got more patronage at the back.
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Skipness is right, there is a huge cargo capacity loss with operating the 757. I used to fly on the CO 777 and there always appeared to be lots of cargo waiting to be loaded. Mind you, over the years, both UA & AA have both let their dominant TA services slide. Either they should use suitable competitive hardware or give up, neither are currently very competitive.
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 14:55   #8535 (permalink)
 
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STAFF EAST WHAT A JOKE.

Perhaps the Manchester airport management might like to take a few minutes away from counting their money and come and have a look at the queues to get out of STAFF EAST.

Profits before people.

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Not just the queue to get out of Staff Far East, how about the transit time once you are on the bus, 40-50 minutes has been known recently. I'm suspect that I will be late for report at this rate, it's not acceptable to be parking up in the car park an hour before report.
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 18:47   #8537 (permalink)
 
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I used to check the seat maps for MAN, BHX & EDI regularly but not for around a year now. I found both MAN and BHX strong in business well in advance of the departure date as well but as you say we have no idea how many were full fares and how many were upgrades.

However one area where the Manchester service beat the BHX service hands down was 45 premium economy seats. A few months prior to departure BHX was always light usually around 5-10 seats taken whereas Manchester usually had around 20-30.

Again I suppose not particularly a reliable source of information without knowing the actual fares paid but this was a regular pattern at times during 2016 and whether this aspect is keeping the Manchester service going we will probably never know.

As for fares, I only used to check economy and BHX/EDI/MAN were pretty similar outside of the peak months with few bargain economy seats outside of January and February.

It is one of those services that you would not be surprised to see upgraded or surprised to see it go and despite the 757 still having a few more years left it won't be too long before something happens.

As posted on the Flybe thread it appears Luxemburg is getting loaded for winter.

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Old 14th Sep 2017, 18:59   #8538 (permalink)
 
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It is one of those services that you would not be surprised to see upgraded or surprised to see it go
I think that hits the nail on the head.

What I would say is that UA80 is the only *A route into UA's USA network from MAN (they don't allow ex MAN connections on SQ). That's obviously not to say it makes the route a special case, but is persuasive. Let's see...
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 12:30   #8539 (permalink)
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Not just the queue to get out of Staff Far East, how about the transit time once you are on the bus, 40-50 minutes has been known recently. I'm suspect that I will be late for report at this rate, it's not acceptable to be parking up in the car park an hour before report.
It's actually quicker walking back there some days.
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Agree with the posts above ref staff (FAR) east, took me an hour and a quarter from checkout to drive back past the terminal to get on the M56 yesterday and not much better today! OTP has been effected at most airlines out of T1/3 due to the comedy car parking and bussing.
Then the airport close 330m of taxiway to the 23R threshold (giving the controllers and operators less options for departures) and turn it into ..... you guessed it a car park!

Someone at MAG has seriously got their priorities wrong.

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