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Do TCX fly to JFK at all in winter?
TCX has yet to load any longhaul routes beyond mid December so still time for more changes. Good to see them at least trying JFK in the winter, with the AA/VS/DL cuts to JFK perhaps TCX might now be tempted to offer a little more frequency themselves.
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Probably never make it off paper, but:
https://www.saifair.com/
Aiming to start MAN-LHE/ISB first, with CMB/ATQ/Shylet to follow.
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Aiming to start MAN-LHE/ISB first, with CMB/ATQ/Shylet to follow.
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Does anybody know how UA is faring with its EWR route given the recent axing of IAD?
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How important are daily flights to the west coast of the US? I don't work in an industry with significant business travel, so I've no direct experience. I know it is a prettier schedule, but would many business send an employe to the west coast for <24 hours given the travel time? Would they not be more likely attend a number of meetings, training events and/or conferences which usually take several days? Particularly given the jet-lag on the return east bound. The anecdotal stories I've herd from friends suggests that travel over that kind of distance is rarely a single overnight.
I think any form of direct link is to be encouraged and supported. There is no reason a traveller couldn't fly MAN-SFO and SFO-ATL/JFK-MAN on the return with DL/VS?
I think any form of direct link is to be encouraged and supported. There is no reason a traveller couldn't fly MAN-SFO and SFO-ATL/JFK-MAN on the return with DL/VS?
In amongst the "poor me" Manchester comments about Virgin's planned winter programme, has anyone stopped to consider that a) they may be short of either aircraft or crew resources or both for reasons including but not limited to continued re-fleeting - just look at the impact that's had at Finnair - and b) in deciding where to cut, route profitability will be a primary factor in decision making alongside (presumably) protecting their LHR slots. If the MAN routes were the cash cows that you'd believe from reading some of these comments, they would either not be making these harsh cuts or Delta would be swinging back in to operate them under the joint venture. The fact that neither is happening speaks volumes.
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In amongst the "poor me" Manchester comments about Virgin's planned winter programme, has anyone stopped to consider that a) they may be short of either aircraft or crew resources or both for reasons including but not limited to continued re-fleeting - just look at the impact that's had at Finnair - and b) in deciding where to cut, route profitability will be a primary factor in decision making alongside (presumably) protecting their LHR slots. If the MAN routes were the cash cows that you'd believe from reading some of these comments, they would either not be making these harsh cuts or Delta would be swinging back in to operate them under the joint venture. The fact that neither is happening speaks volumes.
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How important are daily flights to the west coast of the US? I don't work in an industry with significant business travel, so I've no direct experience. I know it is a prettier schedule, but would many business send an employe to the west coast for <24 hours given the travel time? Would they not be more likely attend a number of meetings, training events and/or conferences which usually take several days? Particularly given the jet-lag on the return east bound. The anecdotal stories I've herd from friends suggests that travel over that kind of distance is rarely a single overnight.
I think any form of direct link is to be encouraged and supported. There is no reason a traveller couldn't fly MAN-SFO and SFO-ATL/JFK-MAN on the return with DL/VS?
I think any form of direct link is to be encouraged and supported. There is no reason a traveller couldn't fly MAN-SFO and SFO-ATL/JFK-MAN on the return with DL/VS?
Anyway, lets how the service is retained in 2018 and beyond.
I haven't noticed any "poor me" Manchester comments - more surprise on just how deep the cuts are for next winter compared to previous years. This can only be due to a larger than usual downturn in expected travel demand for whatever reasons. If the demand and profit was there the airlines would provide the supply.
MAN has always struggled with much lower winter demand to the USA compared to summer. Airlines have traditionally reduced frequencies, or in some cases taken a complete break from January to March. Take JFK for example where up to 4 daily wide body services operate through the summer months, usually reducing to 1 or at most 2 daily in the winter. Next winter looks particularly thin, but having said that MAN has fared better than some airports who have lost their transatlantic links altogether.
As someone else said it's cyclical. We've had the boom, now we appear to be on a downturn. When demand returns so will the flights.
MAN has always struggled with much lower winter demand to the USA compared to summer. Airlines have traditionally reduced frequencies, or in some cases taken a complete break from January to March. Take JFK for example where up to 4 daily wide body services operate through the summer months, usually reducing to 1 or at most 2 daily in the winter. Next winter looks particularly thin, but having said that MAN has fared better than some airports who have lost their transatlantic links altogether.
As someone else said it's cyclical. We've had the boom, now we appear to be on a downturn. When demand returns so will the flights.
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When Virgin take over the JFK flights from Delta, I don't think we should overlook the issue of capacity provided by the different aircraft.
In summer, Delta's B763, which I think is normally the 226 seat version with 26 in Business, is being replaced by the 266 seat A333 of Virgin. (Is the latter slightly reduced after the Upper Class refits?).
In winter, Delta operated a mix of the B763 and 757, the latter with 168 seats according to seat guru and only 16 in Business.
The same applied when VS took over the ATL flights, the A333 replacing a B763.
The other factor is that VS are more premium heavy than DL.
In summer, Delta's B763, which I think is normally the 226 seat version with 26 in Business, is being replaced by the 266 seat A333 of Virgin. (Is the latter slightly reduced after the Upper Class refits?).
In winter, Delta operated a mix of the B763 and 757, the latter with 168 seats according to seat guru and only 16 in Business.
The same applied when VS took over the ATL flights, the A333 replacing a B763.
The other factor is that VS are more premium heavy than DL.
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In amongst the "poor me" Manchester comments about Virgin's planned winter programme, has anyone stopped to consider that a) they may be short of either aircraft or crew resources or both for reasons including but not limited to continued re-fleeting - just look at the impact that's had at Finnair - and b) in deciding where to cut, route profitability will be a primary factor in decision making alongside (presumably) protecting their LHR slots. If the MAN routes were the cash cows that you'd believe from reading some of these comments, they would either not be making these harsh cuts or Delta would be swinging back in to operate them under the joint venture. The fact that neither is happening speaks volumes.
That said, I still think the weak £ vs the $ is having some sort of impact somewhere and I think any comments about the route needing the frequencies to grow are perfectly valid. I'd be interested to see the loading figures 12 months from now once we've gone through the summer and winter seasons.
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On the flip side, there are of course some people who will move with their jobs, particularly if the alternative is unemployment, which is something another family member did 30 years ago by uprooting his young family from Liverpool to Hull when the firm he worked for moved their HQ.
If the cost of moving offices means losing personnel due to their unwillingness to re-locate and having to go on a recruitment drive to replace them, that will play a huge part in deciding whether to re-locate or not. Some skillsets are not as universally available as others.
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True that.
Here are the details. Great news. Daily on Cathay is a big deal. Especially after years of flirting with service, or further back, sending 744s via Europe.
10DEC17-06JAN18 MTWTFSS MANCHESTER /HONG KONG
..3.... MAN HKG 1155# 0730 CX 358 359*C
12.456. MAN HKG 1155# 0730 CX 358 359*C
......7 MAN HKG 1155# 0730 CX 358 359*C
In other "Airlines that love Manchester" news we have some scheduled links to Medina on the 787 from Saudi too:
01AUG17-28AUG17 MTWTFSS MANCHESTER /MEDINAH
08AUG 09AUG .23.... MAN MED 1100 1925 SV 124 789*C
The Hajj is end of August I believe - but am no expert, assume these flights are related.
Here are the details. Great news. Daily on Cathay is a big deal. Especially after years of flirting with service, or further back, sending 744s via Europe.
10DEC17-06JAN18 MTWTFSS MANCHESTER /HONG KONG
..3.... MAN HKG 1155# 0730 CX 358 359*C
12.456. MAN HKG 1155# 0730 CX 358 359*C
......7 MAN HKG 1155# 0730 CX 358 359*C
In other "Airlines that love Manchester" news we have some scheduled links to Medina on the 787 from Saudi too:
01AUG17-28AUG17 MTWTFSS MANCHESTER /MEDINAH
08AUG 09AUG .23.... MAN MED 1100 1925 SV 124 789*C
The Hajj is end of August I believe - but am no expert, assume these flights are related.