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Yes Bagso, when I heard Kamal Ahmed on the BBC refer to the good news from GSK and London Airport expansion, I nearly had to reach for my pills. But London City fair enough.
Agree about our £1bn TP as long as it does provide more capacity and scope for further expansion.
Agree about our £1bn TP as long as it does provide more capacity and scope for further expansion.
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That stopped years ago. There is no other way than walk- up down up down up down or chance the surface car parks
Always do the surface car park route between MAN-3 and the station. Nothing "chancy" about it, it's dead easy and takes about 5 minutes.
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Of course all the exposure for LCY was because Hammond was there showing this as an example of post Brexit expediture.
And Kamal Ahmed was filming on the ramp without a high viz on...
Anyway, back to MAN..
And Kamal Ahmed was filming on the ramp without a high viz on...
Anyway, back to MAN..
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In March, when I was still 68 and my wife 64, we walked from the tram station to T3 with 1 x20 kg pull along, a 7 kg camera bag on my back and my wife with a 10kg pull along plus handbag. No problem. It isn't ideal and there are undoubted difficulties for people with health problems but it is no worse, or even better, than being dropped by the transit bus from a remote stand at Frankfurt at the A gate entrance and having to get to the Z gates which the bus has passed without the option to stop. Try the uphill and down dale arrival from some gates and remote stands at Heathrow T5. Try it as a woman with two under fives, even worse, transfer to the new T2 from T5. There are dozens of similar situations at large airports around the world. Try getting from the Central bus station at Heathrow to T4 and T5. Yes there are trains, but also an awful lot of walking.
Whichever standpoint you are coming from - regular Manchester based moaner or one of the 'let's knock Manchester brigade' you need to realise as airports grow it isn't always possible to link various points around terminals without a hike. Until the human race perfects teleportation we are going to be stuck with it.
Whichever standpoint you are coming from - regular Manchester based moaner or one of the 'let's knock Manchester brigade' you need to realise as airports grow it isn't always possible to link various points around terminals without a hike. Until the human race perfects teleportation we are going to be stuck with it.
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Public transport
Whichever standpoint you are coming from - regular Manchester based moaner or one of the 'let's knock Manchester brigade' you need to realise as airports grow it isn't always possible to link various points around terminals without a hike. Until the human race perfects teleportation we are going to be stuck with it.
It's interesting to note that as part of its expansion, London City (which is the class leader here with circa 45% of passengers using public transport) has announced the following:
- more trains for Docklands Light Railway
- new bus and taxi scheme
- improved cycle and pedestrian routes
Manchester by comparison appears to have withdrawn the bus service connecting the terminals, according to posters above.
I can only surmise that planning permission did not stipulate enhanced public transport usage.
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Eyes,
What better connectivity do you envisage for MAN exactly?
It already has a 4 platform heavy rail station with trains to the majority of the big northern (and some Scottish) towns and cities.
It has 2 metrolink platforms which that said service can stretch to the main corners of Manchester (albeit to Cornbrrok and then change until the open the central Manchester lines up again).
It has a motorway link to pretty much the doors of T2.
It has regular bus services to central and southern parts of Manchester.
It has regular coaches to points as far south as London?
So, apart from getting bums on seats, which is a public issue, not MAG (no matter how much you promote something, if people don't want to use it you can't force them), so, with this 'connectivity issue', what is it you see that MAN is so obviously getting it drastically wrong, as the way I see it, infrastructure wise, it's probably one of the best prepared airports in the country.
And I'm sorry but before anyone says it, it's ridiculous to suggest that the lack of a bus link between the station and terminals is causing tha lack of public transport uptake!
What better connectivity do you envisage for MAN exactly?
It already has a 4 platform heavy rail station with trains to the majority of the big northern (and some Scottish) towns and cities.
It has 2 metrolink platforms which that said service can stretch to the main corners of Manchester (albeit to Cornbrrok and then change until the open the central Manchester lines up again).
It has a motorway link to pretty much the doors of T2.
It has regular bus services to central and southern parts of Manchester.
It has regular coaches to points as far south as London?
So, apart from getting bums on seats, which is a public issue, not MAG (no matter how much you promote something, if people don't want to use it you can't force them), so, with this 'connectivity issue', what is it you see that MAN is so obviously getting it drastically wrong, as the way I see it, infrastructure wise, it's probably one of the best prepared airports in the country.
And I'm sorry but before anyone says it, it's ridiculous to suggest that the lack of a bus link between the station and terminals is causing tha lack of public transport uptake!
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Virgin have 4 flights today with the 2 MCO the ATL and the LAS, is there any other day during the week when four VS aircraft depart MAN?
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I think the point is that Manchester has the worst public transport uptake of UK airports
Therefore, there is obviously more that can be done. Other airports are obviously managing it.
More express buses, luggage friendly buses, terminal drop offs, more destinations etc.
The truth is, car parking is a huge money spinner for MAG.
Many buses used to stop outside Olympic House, but this was stopped by MAG.
Many people drive to a remote MAG car park and then take the MAG car park shuttlebus, in some cases they could have just travelled in by bus in the first place (had the buses been more user friendly)
I've just travelled this very week on the 747 airport bus in Montreal. It's a standard Transit bus with a couple of luggage racks. Runs every 7 minutes & is full all day- it's a case of perception and making it easy to use. Buses are very common modes of transport for passengers at many airports across the world. Here they are almost relegated to staff & spotters only.
As part of an integrated public transport policy MAG should be engaging with the operators to address these issues. In most places there is a single transport authority for airport companies to deal with, of course unfortunately in Manchester, we have something like 37 operators with no coherent network strategy.
The Station to T3 shuttle bus ran when the terminal was mainly BA and under utilised, now T3 is at max capacity with Intercontinental and European flights and is withdrawn.
Therefore, there is obviously more that can be done. Other airports are obviously managing it.
More express buses, luggage friendly buses, terminal drop offs, more destinations etc.
The truth is, car parking is a huge money spinner for MAG.
Many buses used to stop outside Olympic House, but this was stopped by MAG.
Many people drive to a remote MAG car park and then take the MAG car park shuttlebus, in some cases they could have just travelled in by bus in the first place (had the buses been more user friendly)
I've just travelled this very week on the 747 airport bus in Montreal. It's a standard Transit bus with a couple of luggage racks. Runs every 7 minutes & is full all day- it's a case of perception and making it easy to use. Buses are very common modes of transport for passengers at many airports across the world. Here they are almost relegated to staff & spotters only.
As part of an integrated public transport policy MAG should be engaging with the operators to address these issues. In most places there is a single transport authority for airport companies to deal with, of course unfortunately in Manchester, we have something like 37 operators with no coherent network strategy.
The Station to T3 shuttle bus ran when the terminal was mainly BA and under utilised, now T3 is at max capacity with Intercontinental and European flights and is withdrawn.
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I suspect that the nature of MAN's catchment area plays a part - a lot of pax are coming from leafy Cheshire etc, and even if buses were free they probably wouldn't be used. LHR and LCY (to take a couple of examples) are different as a lot of their pax are coming from within the Greater London area (it being so huge) and so it makes more sense for them to use public transport, especially as the concept will be more ingrained due to the congestion integral to driving anywhere in that area.
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I think the point is that Manchester has the worst public transport uptake of UK airports
And can we have comparative figures for all the other airports to see how MAN compares?
One other point is that many flights are departing or arriving at silly times, if you need to be at
the airport for 03.00 or arrive at 01.30 there is a lack of public transport and Manchester and Gatwick are the probably the worst for this.
Ian
the airport for 03.00 or arrive at 01.30 there is a lack of public transport and Manchester and Gatwick are the probably the worst for this.
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But as we have said, the infrastructure is there. There are regular trains, there are regular trams, there are regular buses, there are coaches.
If people don't want to use public transport, then that cannot be blamed on MAN.
I certainly wouldn't dream of using a bus with a family in tow and heavy cases. There is no direct line to Manchester near me and no coach stop, and due to population density near me, it would be unfeasable to put such infrastructure in place, so, I have to use a taxi or car. So, if that's the situation for me, it's a situation for countless others.
How is MAG supposed to persuade me to use public transport?
And this is the issue you have. I'm sorry if it offends, but for anyone to say MAN suffers from a lack of infrastructure to the main core towns and cities is just ridiculous.
If people don't want to use public transport, then that cannot be blamed on MAN.
I certainly wouldn't dream of using a bus with a family in tow and heavy cases. There is no direct line to Manchester near me and no coach stop, and due to population density near me, it would be unfeasable to put such infrastructure in place, so, I have to use a taxi or car. So, if that's the situation for me, it's a situation for countless others.
How is MAG supposed to persuade me to use public transport?
And this is the issue you have. I'm sorry if it offends, but for anyone to say MAN suffers from a lack of infrastructure to the main core towns and cities is just ridiculous.
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I'd argue that you've also got to look at the type of pax MAN has compared to other airports.
Do you want to be having to drag cases and kids on a bus across Greater Manchester when you can just budget in a taxi once a year?
Do you want to be having to drag cases and kids on a bus across Greater Manchester when you can just budget in a taxi once a year?
Suzeman:
CAA Survey http://www.caa.co.uk/uploadedFiles/C...ort%202014.pdf
Public Transport uptake (latest figures 2014)
Stansted 49.6%
Lon City 46.3%
LGW 41.4%
LHR 41%
Luton 28.8%
Birm'ham 22.7%
LPL 20.4%
Manch 16.2%
All I'm saying, is that there is room for improvement, otherwise the M56 will be the car park.
CAA Survey http://www.caa.co.uk/uploadedFiles/C...ort%202014.pdf
Public Transport uptake (latest figures 2014)
Stansted 49.6%
Lon City 46.3%
LGW 41.4%
LHR 41%
Luton 28.8%
Birm'ham 22.7%
LPL 20.4%
Manch 16.2%
All I'm saying, is that there is room for improvement, otherwise the M56 will be the car park.
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So let's look at this logically:
STN: London catchment with lower in city car usage, predominantly short haul low cost thus less likely to have luggage:
London City: predominantly day trip business pax, need I say any more
LGW: Fair Enough, I'll concede that one but some element similar to STN of low cost less luggage and London city folk.
LPL: predominantly low cost again, with less baggage etc.
MAN: long haul with some flights such as Pakistan with 60kg luggage each and lots of family to see them off. Get them on a bus? No chance.
Charter pax with bags and families in tow. Again, get them on a bus trundling through the suburbs, or into Cheshire where public transport may as well not exist? Again, unlikely.
To compare MAN public transport uptake with the likes of STN/LCY and to an extent, LPL/LTN is just fallacy. It really is the cliche of apples and oranges, the traffic mix is by no means the same.
STN: London catchment with lower in city car usage, predominantly short haul low cost thus less likely to have luggage:
London City: predominantly day trip business pax, need I say any more
LGW: Fair Enough, I'll concede that one but some element similar to STN of low cost less luggage and London city folk.
LPL: predominantly low cost again, with less baggage etc.
MAN: long haul with some flights such as Pakistan with 60kg luggage each and lots of family to see them off. Get them on a bus? No chance.
Charter pax with bags and families in tow. Again, get them on a bus trundling through the suburbs, or into Cheshire where public transport may as well not exist? Again, unlikely.
To compare MAN public transport uptake with the likes of STN/LCY and to an extent, LPL/LTN is just fallacy. It really is the cliche of apples and oranges, the traffic mix is by no means the same.
4 adults from Kirkby Stephen going on holiday for 2 weeks what do for example
bus and train , pre-booked taxi or drive only 2 options really and first one more expensive and a lot slower etc etc
Ian
bus and train , pre-booked taxi or drive only 2 options really and first one more expensive and a lot slower etc etc
Ian