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With so many new routes being announced, competition increasing dramatically on short haul and long haul routes, and with slots and parking spaces in short supply especially in peak hours. It's turning the head of a lot of Airlines, and suddenly everybody suddenly wants a piece of the pie. I think this is just the beginning............and there will be much more to come in the future.
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Let's become the armchair CEO:
What would be good is for a winter focus to come into effect as as it stands, we will have 2 VS A330 routed up here for the summer to operate JFK, Boston, San Francisco and Barbados. If they could leave 1 based here for the winter it would lessen the summer/winter passenger number differential. Maybe they could look at doing a 2 weekly MIA winter run, 2 weekly BGI, weekly to Cancun and get San Francisco to be year-round with 2 weekly . The 2 weekly winter 747 to BGI perhaps to go to weekly (so net effect gain 1 weekly frequency overall) with Las Vegas to go year-round with a weekly 747 in the winter.
Then DL and VS could do another joint service launch with Detroit, Miami and Cancun as new routes with San Francisco and Las Vegas going year-round, and Barbados gaining a frequency
What would be good is for a winter focus to come into effect as as it stands, we will have 2 VS A330 routed up here for the summer to operate JFK, Boston, San Francisco and Barbados. If they could leave 1 based here for the winter it would lessen the summer/winter passenger number differential. Maybe they could look at doing a 2 weekly MIA winter run, 2 weekly BGI, weekly to Cancun and get San Francisco to be year-round with 2 weekly . The 2 weekly winter 747 to BGI perhaps to go to weekly (so net effect gain 1 weekly frequency overall) with Las Vegas to go year-round with a weekly 747 in the winter.
Then DL and VS could do another joint service launch with Detroit, Miami and Cancun as new routes with San Francisco and Las Vegas going year-round, and Barbados gaining a frequency
As an armchair CEO, hopefully you'd be able to see that the above would be an absolute calamity in terms of crew efficiency and week-long layovers in destinations all round the network! Crew efficiency on long-haul is very much the name of the game, and if you take a look at what TUI are doing by integrating their crew patterns from multiple UK and European departure points, you'd see why this could never compete on cost with the likes of TUI.
More generally, all this talk of yet more long-haul growth shows a level of ambition which has yet to be borne out be reality. With huge VS/DL growth already at MAN in Summer 2017, is it realistic to expect yet more expansion such as LAX or DTW to be piled on top? It may be practical and possible in future, but adding this in 2017 would probably exceed any corporation's appetite for growth and placing too many eggs in one basket all at the same time, surely?
More generally, all this talk of yet more long-haul growth shows a level of ambition which has yet to be borne out be reality. With huge VS/DL growth already at MAN in Summer 2017, is it realistic to expect yet more expansion such as LAX or DTW to be piled on top? It may be practical and possible in future, but adding this in 2017 would probably exceed any corporation's appetite for growth and placing too many eggs in one basket all at the same time, surely?
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I think one of the big issues to address over the next 2/3 years is the seasonal disparity. It may be a product/presumption of the leisure market, but I think it is something to keep an eye on.
BTW - do VS still offer codeshares/connections with SQ? Might offer some interesting connections via MAN...
BTW - do VS still offer codeshares/connections with SQ? Might offer some interesting connections via MAN...
With so many new routes being announced, competition increasing dramatically on short haul and long haul routes
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MAN - the new type of hub.
Thomas Cook's Los Angeles service arrived this morning 90% full and showed 73 pax transferring on at MAN. There were 23 transferring on from the JFK, too. Who says MAN is not, or cannot be, a hub? Signs are that the range and frequency of long haul at MAN is beginning to gain traction with connecting options, despite the transfer 'product' currently being rather basic. MAN is emerging into a different kind of hub, one where non-based aircraft and carriers exchange passengers, rather than the traditional LHR/FRA/CDG-style big home-based flag carrier.
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If MAN can offer good onward connections (and a smooth product when the TP is complete) for regions that do not have a shuttle link to LHR and may not have a shuttle to AMS then that may work. You will always get some wins in competition with these two, but impressed often than not these two giants will win out.
Places like Cardiff, Norwich, Exeter, Southampton and even some further afield are decent markets for MAN to explore.
You just need the airlines to buy into a service like Flybe, which some of them seem to be doing.
If MAN can offer good onward connections (and a smooth product when the TP is complete) for regions that do not have a shuttle link to LHR and may not have a shuttle to AMS then that may work. You will always get some wins in competition with these two, but impressed often than not these two giants will win out.
Places like Cardiff, Norwich, Exeter, Southampton and even some further afield are decent markets for MAN to explore.
You just need the airlines to buy into a service like Flybe, which some of them seem to be doing.
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Thomas Cook's Los Angeles service arrived this morning 90% full and showed 73 pax transferring on at MAN. There were 23 transferring on from the JFK, too. Who says MAN is not, or cannot be, a hub? Signs are that the range and frequency of long haul at MAN is beginning to gain traction with connecting options, despite the transfer 'product' currently being rather basic. MAN is emerging into a different kind of hub, one where non-based aircraft and carriers exchange passengers, rather than the traditional LHR/FRA/CDG-style big home-based flag carrier.
Like others, I do hope that Flybe can add more destinations from MAN using their ability to sell onwards to get pax.
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Thomas Cook/Condor Schedules
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Could I just ask, who do TCX code share with at the JFK end to allow onwards there?
The MT (Thomas Cook) sites also show the same with the code shard DE flight number !
The Condor codes show up in many booking engines and the consolidators however the Thomas Cook code doesn't.
Would expect some of the connectors were to Germany and some domestic.
The domestics offer Flybe services to/from Manchester (not a code share but interline) and the German services using Lufthansa group.
Likewise want to go to Anchorage Thomas Cook will sell you via Frankfurt and onto Condor.
Really believe ALL the group long haul schedules should be sold under the Condor brand irrespective of UK/German origin.
The Thomas Cook brand used only for UK short haul and mainly inclusive tour flights
As per the 753 both brands can be displayed anyway.
The simplified common brand with Condor codes already showing on the major booking engines would very much increase presence and awareness of the offers.
BTW much if not all the back office of the UK and German operation are close to unified .
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Cathay Pacific have announced their next A350 destinations, which are Paris, Rome & Auckland, due to commence in October 2016. But no signs of Manchester 
I know the A350 for Manchester is going down to Gatwick instead but it hasn't stopped them launching Paris & Rome.
I know the A350 for Manchester is going down to Gatwick instead but it hasn't stopped them launching Paris & Rome.
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didn't think they would use the Condor codes but makes sense.
It's clear that both TCX and TOM are being re-branded to be as close as possible to their respective 'cousins' whilst behind the scenes everything is being merged. As you say, maybe one day we will see a single TUI and a single Condor in Europe.
It's clear that both TCX and TOM are being re-branded to be as close as possible to their respective 'cousins' whilst behind the scenes everything is being merged. As you say, maybe one day we will see a single TUI and a single Condor in Europe.
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It's been commented that the A350 is no longer suitable for MAN, as the B77W now seems to be the right sized aircraft for above and below deck.
What's worth noting is that the next A359 destinations are direct B77W replacements with no frequency increase, so, a loss of capacity on those routes.
The fact CX feel the need to keep the B77W on the route should be seen as a positive, not a negative.
What's worth noting is that the next A359 destinations are direct B77W replacements with no frequency increase, so, a loss of capacity on those routes.
The fact CX feel the need to keep the B77W on the route should be seen as a positive, not a negative.
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Cathay Pacific have announced their next A350 destinations, which are Paris, Rome & Auckland, due to commence in October 2016. But no signs of Manchester I know the A350 for Manchester is going down to Gatwick instead but it hasn't stopped them launching Paris & Rome.
It's been commented that the A350 is no longer suitable for MAN, as the B77W now seems to be the right sized aircraft for above and below deck.
What's worth noting is that the next A359 destinations are direct B77W replacements with no frequency increase, so, a loss of capacity on those routes.
The fact CX feel the need to keep the B77W on the route should be seen as a positive, not a negative.
What's worth noting is that the next A359 destinations are direct B77W replacements with no frequency increase, so, a loss of capacity on those routes.
The fact CX feel the need to keep the B77W on the route should be seen as a positive, not a negative.