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Old 15th Jul 2014, 15:45   #41 (permalink)
 
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I am curious at what point a flight makes a profit. For example, if an aircraft is 50% full, surely these seats are sold cheaper than the second 50%.
Rennes, I am sure will continue to grow, but have a bad feeling with the Miunster/Osnabruck route which so far must have disappointed. Of course, it's very early days, and I hope that even more publicity will appear on both sides of the Channel on all of the routes.
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Old 15th Jul 2014, 16:09   #42 (permalink)
 
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@planespeaking the change to Flybe on the DUB route does not affect use of US pre-clearance which is used by all US departures from Dublin regardless of what airline. It will just mean transferring from T1 to T2 at DUB (an easy walk - both are linked airside)
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Old 15th Jul 2014, 16:17   #43 (permalink)
 
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Thank you very much for that info. My sister uses the route a couple of times a year from Cedar Rapids via Chicago, Dublin to Sen and return.

You are a star.
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Old 15th Jul 2014, 17:04   #44 (permalink)
 
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I think you would still be able to interline between BE & EI assuming they have an interline agreement.

You would probably need to book via a TA but as long as EI and BE we're all on one ticket you should have no problem sending bags all the way etc.


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Old 15th Jul 2014, 17:06   #45 (permalink)
 
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@planespeaking the change to Flybe on the DUB route does not affect use of US pre-clearance which is used by all US departures from Dublin regardless of what airline. It will just mean transferring from T1 to T2 at DUB (an easy walk - both are linked airside)
Are the connecting flights bookable though? Aer Lingus is still showing any flights from SEN to US destinations as unavailable after 25th October and the first flight from SEN to Dublin appears to arrive too late for the westbound transatlantic flights.
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Old 15th Jul 2014, 17:59   #46 (permalink)
 
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Thanks Cornishman. Sen and Flybe had no idea when I asked.
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Old 15th Jul 2014, 18:57   #47 (permalink)
 
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Seems I could be wrong
Aer lingus interline partners are show here:
Aer Lingus - Online Booking Help

Doesn't currently list flybe, probably due to the poor presence of BE at DUB until recently.


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Old 15th Jul 2014, 21:23   #48 (permalink)
 
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KRAKOW +209%,any chance EZY might keep this flight?
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Old 16th Jul 2014, 07:35   #49 (permalink)
 
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Krakow didn't commence until 17th June 2013 so the numbers for last month would show a large increase.

The feeling seems to have been that SEN-KRK was harming LGW-KRK loads/yields so that is why it is being dropped. The June figures show LGW-KRK to have had a small increase in pax numbers but the yield may be lower perhaps than before the SEN route started.
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Old 16th Jul 2014, 07:43   #50 (permalink)
 
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Without knowing the yield it really isn't possible to know what load factor represents going into profit. Even then are we talking about a profit over the operating costs of the flight itself or when the marketing costs etc. are also taken into account?

For an established route you might say that 65% load factor would probably show a profit but that's still a very approximate figure in my view. At present I assume that Stobart Air will want to build the market at the cost of yield.

Marketing is certainly very important, but also very expensive. You are looking at something like 100,000 Euros in the first 6 months to marketing just one end of the route to its home market alone.
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 15:08   #51 (permalink)
 
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Hello SEN. Anyone have any pax loads for the recently started MST route?
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 22:29   #52 (permalink)
 
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PAX FIGS

SEN have leapfrogged GLASSGOW PRESTWICK & CARDIFF in pax numbers, Next target JERSEY THEN SOUTHAMPTON
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Old 18th Jul 2014, 08:51   #53 (permalink)
 
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You can see the break-even fare required for a given load factor and vica versa at the aviation analytics website. Route Economic Calculator.... cool stuff ..
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Old 20th Jul 2014, 12:28   #54 (permalink)
 
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According to Flightstats the Rennes and Caen flights are appearing with an Air France codeshare.

Also I have been informed by a good source that the council are looking at charging 10 per passenger at the airport to bring in revenue for the borough. Has anyone else heard about this? This is not an airport development fee, the money goes into council pockets instead. Surely this cannot be implemented. I think this would kill the airport.

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Old 20th Jul 2014, 16:02   #55 (permalink)
 
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Also I have been informed by a good source that the council are looking at charging 10 per passenger at the airport to bring in revenue for the borough. Has anyone else heard about this? This is not an airport development fee, the money goes into council pockets instead. Surely this cannot be implemented. I think this would kill the airport.
Don't think it's illegal, central government fleece pax with APD which certainly does not go back into aviation infrastructure development.

It's certainly inadvisable, especially on top of 13 (26 domestic) APD, and could kill off the airport. It would be better to include (hide?) it in the ticket price, but 10 is way over the top, 1 or 2 would be more suitable if they must go down this road.

Arguing for a larger share of the airport's business rates to be returned to the council would be a better way forward.
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Old 20th Jul 2014, 18:08   #56 (permalink)
 
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It's correct that both the CFR and RNS routes will have a codeshare with Air France but I didn't know that this had already started.
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I'm not sure that they can. Isn't the airport 100% owned by Stobarts?
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Old 20th Jul 2014, 20:01   #58 (permalink)
 
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Would someone more knowledgable than me be able to explain the commercial rationale for an AF codeshare on SEN-CFR + SEN-RNS ?
Neither airport is a hub for the AF group and the attractiveness of using either airport for connections to Lyon, Marseille or Toulouse is presumably limited given that the 3 cities already have strong nonstop air connection to London's other airports. I'm not sure either why there is a need for AF's marketing against BE's existing reach given the largely non-connecting nature of these routes.

Just genuinely puzzled...
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Old 20th Jul 2014, 20:33   #59 (permalink)
 
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Strength of AF in their home market and probable complete lack of awareness of who Flybe are in France?
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Old 20th Jul 2014, 20:43   #60 (permalink)
 
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Air France also codeshare on most Flybe flights from the UK to France, including some of the more minor seasonal routes out of SOU/BHX (PGF, CFE, AVN) so this might help explain why they have extended this to the Southend routes.
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