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Old 27th Jun 2017, 15:27
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Whatever is actually happening on GRQ this winter CFR will definitely not be operating.
Is the route likley to return next summer?
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Old 27th Jun 2017, 15:52
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It's too early to say but hopefully it will.
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Old 27th Jun 2017, 16:14
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On a different topic, let's have another look at the unconfirmed 4th easyJet at SEN next year. I know that this has been pooh poohed by the usual SEN critics, but let us not forget that easy has advertised for aircrew to strengthen its presence at ALL its UK bases. I therefore believe that the 4th one will happen and think/hope that it will be announced when new/expanded routes are announced.
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Old 27th Jun 2017, 16:21
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I would guess there could be spare capacity in the DUB-based ATR fleet for the winter period, assuming the EIR schedules undergo the typical seasonal reductions. In that case there could be a spare ATR for SEN.

cumbrianboy, thanks for the response.
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Old 27th Jun 2017, 16:36
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Oh I'm sure a second ATR could be found to operate SEN-GRQ 6 x weekly. The question is what else would it do? The current SEN-based ATR72 can operate the daily SEN-RNS during a morning gap in MAN rotations.

Perhaps cumbrianboy has an insight on this point.
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Old 27th Jun 2017, 16:43
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Afraid I've not heard anything, will see what I can find out ...

There is usually spare capacity in the winter but this is often needed to cover maintenance programmes which run over the winter ...

It would be good if the routes continue, will have to wait and see
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Old 27th Jun 2017, 17:35
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In terms of what else it could operate, how about continuing with the same schedule for RNS? Wonder if competition from Vueling to LGW and Flybe to LCY has had an effect?
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Old 27th Jun 2017, 17:56
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Vueling carried 1,845 pax on their RNS-LGW route in April and this summer they are operating 3 x weekly. You would think it would dilute the SEN route somewhat but sometimes competition serves to make the route (RNS-LON) more visible and the market grows accordingly. Flybe's LCY-RNS didn't visibly harm the SEN route which showed good growth during last summer's peak holiday travel period. Overall yields may have suffered of course.

SEN-RNS has certainly performed better than I thought it would when Vueling came on the scene last autumn(?).
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Old 27th Jun 2017, 19:01
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Those Vueling figures show why the ATR is the best fit for the route. My rough calculation suggests 70-odd pax per flight on an A320. About 40% LF.
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Old 27th Jun 2017, 19:07
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In a logical world Nordica would probably love to operate Groningen - Southend for Stobart; would fit beautifully into their Orebro - Copenhagen - Groningen operations?
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Old 28th Jun 2017, 11:32
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Which would be Flybe opb Stobart opb Nordica opb bmi regional, with all four airlines expecting to earn some money from it....
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Old 28th Jun 2017, 19:26
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I presume though that them having ATR72s based in CPH will put them in a position to start to be looking to change that arrangement?
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Old 29th Jun 2017, 06:28
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Groningen on sale for this winter! As suggested it's a daily rotation except saturdays.
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You're right! At first I thought perhaps it was instead of the afternoon MAN as the timings match quite well and there is no slack with the jets (plus the jet is too big). But MAN is still on sale 3x daily, and new Mon and Fri evening services to RNS have appeared which requires 4 aircraft.
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Old 29th Jun 2017, 08:12
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Doesn't the 2nd ATR have a lot gaps to fill in its schedule? 6 flights to GRQ and 2 to RNS per week currently?
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Can anyone give an update of how the relatively new Flybe routes are doing?

Prague, Milan, Budapest, Dubrovnik, Reus, Vienna
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Old 29th Jun 2017, 09:09
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Most are doing OK, there is variations throughout the week, but in general they are OK. Some very good. REU is probably the weakest.
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tws123.......

........has a second ATR been confirmed? Can't see anywhere that it has. Maybe I've missed something.
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There has to be a 2nd based aircraft because there is one based ATR at the moment, but that will be operating 3x daily flights to MAN and daily to RNS, so there is no slack in the schedule for an additional 6x weekly GRQ and 2x weekly RNS.

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Indeed.

With minor variations every day except Saturday there are departures at 13:30, 14:30, 14:35 and 14:40.

On Monday and Friday's there are departures at 18:10, 18:30, 18:30 and 18:35.

Which means either a 4th aircraft, or use of a JOTA 146 perhaps. I'm sceptical/wary of the latter though because you would end up with an aircraft that is too big for the job.

Another thought I've had is that if an ATR has been found, perhaps CGN will be retained and done in the morning as it is currently. There would also be sufficient slack in the schedule to reintroduce Caen next summer and increase RNS back to every evening.

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