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SARF - You say SEN will never be busy enough for backtracking to be a problem. It could be; I remember back in the late 1960s standing at the end of the runway in Eastwoodbury Lane with the not unusual sight of up to five aircraft approaching, two on finals and three on right base. Ok, in that direction backtracking was not needed but even coming in on 24 there was no problem as they could all use Charlie being smaller planes; Viscounts, Bristol Freighters, HS748s, Carvairs etc. SEN cannot be written off as an airport that will never be that busy. Who knows what the future holds?
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I don't think any of us have ever seen SEN as an airport for longhaul or wide bodies, but I never envisaged 5 years ago there would be A320s operating directly to/from the Canary Islands. I can see, however, SEN getting busier over the next 5 years with types of aircraft that are currently operating into LCY, plus slightly bigger ones like the Fokker 100, CRJs, etc which dont go into LCY.
DASH8 and ATR72s are ideal aircraft for a 90 minutes flight to anywhere, and I believe most travellers are quite happy with that. On this forum there will always be those for/against, believers/non-believers, but nobody knows for sure what the scene will be in 2021 and beyond.
DASH8 and ATR72s are ideal aircraft for a 90 minutes flight to anywhere, and I believe most travellers are quite happy with that. On this forum there will always be those for/against, believers/non-believers, but nobody knows for sure what the scene will be in 2021 and beyond.
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If airport capacity in the SE is as constrained as we are told it is and if the economy continues to grow modestly then SEN is highly likely to grow. SEN has advantages to exploit;
1) A new, functional Terminal building with space for easy expansion, if required
2) Direct Rail link into/out of London - this needs to be improved
3) One of the worlds Global cities on its doorstep
4) The arrival of new generation 100-125 seat jets, such as the Embraer E-2 and C-Series which offer costs compatible to A320 models and superior performance from SEN's relatively short runway.
SEN has a long way to go and will likely never compete with LHR/LGW or even STN for airlines, passengers and routes, but given the size of the London market and underused infrastructure which is already in place, I wouldn't bet against SEN.
1) A new, functional Terminal building with space for easy expansion, if required
2) Direct Rail link into/out of London - this needs to be improved
3) One of the worlds Global cities on its doorstep
4) The arrival of new generation 100-125 seat jets, such as the Embraer E-2 and C-Series which offer costs compatible to A320 models and superior performance from SEN's relatively short runway.
SEN has a long way to go and will likely never compete with LHR/LGW or even STN for airlines, passengers and routes, but given the size of the London market and underused infrastructure which is already in place, I wouldn't bet against SEN.
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Gentlemen. I wasn't in any way dissing off SEN. I love the place , use it all the time .. ima big fan and think it has a great future.
I was making the point that a runway length taxiway will never be essential, or even possible ..
Handy yes. But not required for the level of future growth hoped for ..
I don't think it's a problem for what SEN and stobart group ( whose shares are soaring ) have planned
I was making the point that a runway length taxiway will never be essential, or even possible ..
Handy yes. But not required for the level of future growth hoped for ..
I don't think it's a problem for what SEN and stobart group ( whose shares are soaring ) have planned
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This was posted by me back in April 2015 !!
yes the taxiways meet the minimum measurement requirements as laid down in CAP168 however ............................ they are well below the required PCN and have been for some time. Taxiway Alpha has a PCN of 47 (published correctly in the AIP) However the published figures of "B" and "C" are 26 well they are more like 15 at the moment. An A319/A320 dependeing on surface require at least 39 (if my memory serves me right)
This can be tolerated but only on a very infrequent basis.
These taxiways when they are used frequently cause a large amount of FOD/stones to be prevalent on the surface causing an ingestion hazard.
Taxiway Bravo and the diverted centreline was purely a temporary measure to prolong the life of it ( A good decision at the time) . However because of the AIP entry it now seems more permanent.
However this taxiway situation also cuts down the flexibility of any operation or situation. If "Alpha" ever had a problem (disabled aircraft or concrete failure) they would be up the proverbial creek without a paddle.
yes the taxiways meet the minimum measurement requirements as laid down in CAP168 however ............................ they are well below the required PCN and have been for some time. Taxiway Alpha has a PCN of 47 (published correctly in the AIP) However the published figures of "B" and "C" are 26 well they are more like 15 at the moment. An A319/A320 dependeing on surface require at least 39 (if my memory serves me right)
This can be tolerated but only on a very infrequent basis.
These taxiways when they are used frequently cause a large amount of FOD/stones to be prevalent on the surface causing an ingestion hazard.
Taxiway Bravo and the diverted centreline was purely a temporary measure to prolong the life of it ( A good decision at the time) . However because of the AIP entry it now seems more permanent.
However this taxiway situation also cuts down the flexibility of any operation or situation. If "Alpha" ever had a problem (disabled aircraft or concrete failure) they would be up the proverbial creek without a paddle.
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23 rows of four, with row 13 missing, makes 88 seats - same capacity as Flybe 175s...
The seating plan on the Flybe website this morning shows a 92-seat, four-abreast layout so that's neither an E195 or RJ.
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Not sure if this was recently leaked on here but I've heard WX are back in discussion with SEN trying to strike up a deal. Their LCY base is pricing them and others away from City. Anyone hearing similar of talks being back on?
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The diverted centre line on Bravo was put in place following an EZY sinking into the ground when holding for several hours with a slot and being unable to move once it was time to go.
The line simply avoided the dip.
The line simply avoided the dip.
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If Cityjet did move to SEN it would not last very long. They've only got AMS & DUB left with multiple daily frequencies, to shift AMS would be suicide especially up against EZY. DUB would be overkill at current frequency and really the aircraft are too big for the route anyway. Then there is the sub-contracted Antwerp which would fail if moved from LCY. All that's left is a daily flight to Florence and a few weekly flights to provincial France in summer. Hardly worth it.
I've heard nothing regarding Cityjet renewing negotiations with Stobart but I suppose it could simply be that Cityjet are offering RJ85s for Stobart's new routes on an ACMI basis.
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If Cityjet did move to SEN it would not last very long. They've only got AMS & DUB left with multiple daily frequencies, to shift AMS would be suicide especially up against EZY. DUB would be overkill at current frequency and really the aircraft are too big for the route anyway. Then there is the sub-contracted Antwerp which would fail if moved from LCY. All that's left is a daily flight to Florence and a few weekly flights to provincial France in summer. Hardly worth it.
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I know it is, so if they moved to SEN every single one of those passengers would move with them would they.....
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I would suspect that next to none of them would want to fly from Southend. They fly into the City because that's where they want to be and not on the coast.
Southend has its strengths but being an alternative to City Airport is not one of them.
Southend has its strengths but being an alternative to City Airport is not one of them.
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The new routes suggest that Stobarts have accepted that LSA will never become the European business travelers' airport of choice after a prolonged period of throwing stats and some slick promotion out there to demonstrate that it could be a sensible alternative. That doesn't mean it has nothing to offer, but it my opinion business travel cannot be its raison d'etre.
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Figari is definitely cancelled now, my relatives who were booked on the flights have been phoned by Flybe and rebooked on flights from Luton, changing at either Orly or Nantes.
It' starting to look very likely that Jota will be supplying the capacity to launch the new Stobart routes on 1st May. It's reported on a SEN f/book forum that they have confirmed that they will be taking delivery of an RJ100 from Falko Regional Aircraft by the end of April following respray at Cranfield.