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Old 13th Jan 2017, 12:17
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My understanding of Malta is that it is becoming / has become the new Ibiza so I was also surprised when it didn't make the 12, particularly as a destination for a weekend 'break' for a certain generation.

I don't get the impression there's a particularly poisonous relationship between MOL and Stobart, although if anyone knows any facts / gossip to counter that, I'd love to see them. I would imagine if FR are responding to any challenges at the moment then Jet2 would have moved to the top of their hit list.
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Old 13th Jan 2017, 12:17
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The truth of the matter is Ryanair will always blow away the competition in order to suit their means, unfortunately this may also include SEN on this occasion!
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Old 13th Jan 2017, 12:49
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This could be just coincidence. It would be like Tesco selling Dairy Milk for 20p to warn off a covenience shop on a nearby estate just as Aldi is opening over the road
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Old 13th Jan 2017, 12:57
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Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1
This could be just coincidence. It would be like Tesco selling Dairy Milk for 20p to warn off a covenience shop on a nearby estate just as Aldi is opening over the road
If I was a member of the Stobart board reading that, it would really sting!
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Old 13th Jan 2017, 13:03
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The comparison on food outlets is not lost! Most of us will happily drive a few miles to save money at an out of town shopping centre and also to purchase cheaper fuel (at the expense of local shops)! Sadly the same is true of SEN versus STN, we will usually go for a flight with the cheaper option. Not helpful to the success of SEN should that eventually happen?
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Old 13th Jan 2017, 13:04
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What up @ SEN....WX related?.....EZY7416 ALC just diverted/landed @ STN.... SEN arrivals board @ glacial speed!....no info for meeters & greeters...SEN really needs to up it`s game if competition is being mentioned on these boards...& theoretical 186 pax away to boot.....
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Old 13th Jan 2017, 14:36
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Originally Posted by southside bobby
What up @ SEN....WX related?.....EZY7416 ALC just diverted/landed @ STN.... SEN arrivals board @ glacial speed!....no info for meeters & greeters...SEN really needs to up it`s game if competition is being mentioned on these boards...& theoretical 186 pax away to boot.....
the pilot obviously dont like crosswind landings. On the arrivals board the kid in the office also entered to wrong time for the Rennes arrival. I believe it was ontime. Amateurs....(update..instead of entering flight diverted on the board they have deleted it)
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Old 13th Jan 2017, 14:46
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Originally Posted by tophat27dt
the pilot obviously dont like crosswind landings. On the arrivals board the kid in the office also entered to wrong time for the Rennes arrival. I believe it was ontime. Amateurs....(update..instead of entering flight diverted on the board they have deleted it)
So what happens next...will they ferry it empty from STN for the next flight or bus all the pax to STN. Thats the day's schedule mess up yet again.
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Old 13th Jan 2017, 14:55
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the pilot obviously dont like crosswind landings.
It's a narrow runway, with a lower crosswind limit.....
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Old 13th Jan 2017, 14:58
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I don't quite understand all the fuss about this diversion. The METAR at around that time was 31020G35KT so was in excess of the aircraft's crosswind limits. After the go-around the aircraft entered the hold for 40 minutes before diverting to STN and the pax were coached down to SEN. The ACE pax are being coached to STN and that flight will operate from there.
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Old 13th Jan 2017, 16:01
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Originally Posted by Expressflight
I don't quite understand all the fuss about this diversion. The METAR at around that time was 31020G35KT so was in excess of the aircraft's crosswind limits. After the go-around the aircraft entered the hold for 40 minutes before diverting to STN and the pax were coached down to SEN. The ACE pax are being coached to STN and that flight will operate from there.
and back into STN not SEN. 😚
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Old 13th Jan 2017, 16:10
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That hurt to read.
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Old 13th Jan 2017, 19:56
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EZY7452 ARRECIFE 2250 OPERATING TO STANSTED
Arrival 22:50 Estimated Sat 14th Jan 03:27 Stansted.

As a result of this diversion your crew will not have enough working hours to operate your flight to Southend. Therefore your flight will be landing into London Stansted.
Didn't know the flight time to Southend was so much longer than to Stansted.

More likely that either Southend's terminal did not want to stay open all night together with the fire cover or easyjet was not willing to pay the airports overtime bill.
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Old 13th Jan 2017, 20:26
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Because the flight departed from STN maybe STN standby crew were called to operate the ACE flight so operationally makes sense to land back in STN
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Old 13th Jan 2017, 20:32
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But the aircraft should be in Southend for tomorrows flights so does a Southend crew pick it up at Stansted or a Stansted crew deliver it to Southend or does the Southend departure leave from Stansted?
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Old 13th Jan 2017, 20:48
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Ooops, do I sense some negativity towards poor ol' SEN after all the recent excitement? It's fair enough to point out that the airport cannot offer all its size X10 rival can, but let's not bring the weather on Thursday evening into it. The A320 from AMS couldn't land, the ATR from GRQ did a few minutes later after an age holding. Both would have made their descisions based on their respective requirements which are there to ensure the safety of all on board. SEN was not the only airport that had problems with the weather on Thursday.

What is indefensible is the poor info on the boards. It frustrates us (Did anyone spot TOW1 SOUTHEND on Wed) but what is infinitely more important, it does a great disservice to the airport's customers who need and are entitled to quality real-time information.

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Old 13th Jan 2017, 23:42
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Anyone got an opinion on whether SEN stands a reasonable chance of securing the Derry PSO? Personally I think if Flybe get it then it will be STN (like DND PSO route), although if it's Flybe/Stobart Air then guess SEN could be more likely. I believe Stobart Air and Flybe both applied.
LTN is also a convenient arrival point. Is LCY too expensive, LHR expensive and no available slots, LGW the wrong side of London? Should expect a decision relatively soon.
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Old 14th Jan 2017, 03:46
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Can't see why not and probably has a better chance than it going to Luton where Flybe and Stobart has no interest in flying to.

Has any other airlines applied to operate the route?
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Old 14th Jan 2017, 06:30
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I do find it perplexing the anti-stobart tone of so many postings, people seem to have very short memories.SEN was doomed as an airfield and without the investment from Stobart the airfield would probably have been lined up as a brownfield development site as so many airfields currently are. People seem keen to see the new routes fail ! Sure things are not perfect but every morning when you see all the EZY on the ramp remember what it was like before.
Sure SEN will never be a new LCY but it has a niche and will serve that market well.
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Old 14th Jan 2017, 08:16
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I do find it perplexing the anti-stobart tone of so many postings, people seem to have very short memories.SEN was doomed as an airfield and without the investment from Stobart the airfield would probably have been lined up as a brownfield development site as so many airfields currently are. People seem keen to see the new routes fail ! Sure things are not perfect but every morning when you see all the EZY on the ramp remember what it was like before.
Sure SEN will never be a new LCY but it has a niche and will serve that market well.
i totally agree with your comments. Stobarts rescued SEN and invested lots of money. As an ex ATCO there since i was a young sprog i never thought we would get a runway extension and a railway station right beside a new terminal. I often write here "wait and see" because all the speculation gets tedious. If half of Stobarts new routes are successful then they've done okay. Let's discuss it all again in November 2017.
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