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Joe Curry, you could be very correct there, but EDI will see an EK service in the best part of 5-10 years I'm sure.
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The one that er.....accidentally made it Scotland's busiest airport!
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Enough in the early stages of the route for QR to confidently announce a daily service.?
Emirates came to GLA and basically made going East so much easier, it would appear QR have not taken as many BA / KL frequent fliers as they were expecting from the EDI catchment area or worse, they were taken by EK from GLA and are staying loyal for the most part for Skywards points.
Also worth noting with QR is that they went straight in with the B787 rather than the A332 so expectations would appear to have been high(er).
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Now that AA PHL has been dropped, how did it compare like for like with the GLA established service over similar months operated?
Wonder why it was transferred to JFK? Presumably the short season May to Sept only is to test the water. Lets hope its not the same as the PHL experiment against double daily UA. Interesting to watch.
Wonder why it was transferred to JFK? Presumably the short season May to Sept only is to test the water. Lets hope its not the same as the PHL experiment against double daily UA. Interesting to watch.
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EK take a huge amount of freight. 30-40 tonnes every day. Its not only passengers figures that are important, and its also a reason why if an A380 ever was to be a regular fixture at GLA it would like be as an additional flight rather than a replacement for the B777, as the room for freight is limited.
Also, I did tell you all that PHL was being changed for JFK, nice of you all to listen!
Also, I did tell you all that PHL was being changed for JFK, nice of you all to listen!
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Have just got back from a flying visit to Edinburgh to visit family so have had a chance to see firsthand how things are progressing at Joe Curry International. By and large I am quite impressed by the work done so far extending the terminal but returning today we were treated to the new security and search area. All I can say is dear oh dear. It felt like a cross between being back at a very strict school, being in the army or indeed being a prisoner. The concept of find a vacant spot (painted on the floor), stand on it, try to push the tray with your belongings into a row of other trays and then seeing dozens of trays disappearing into the distance while you queue to be scanned did not sit well with me or Mrs Wombat. I know that its very early days and that they are running "old" security and "new" security in parallel but this needs fixing fast.
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EK take a huge amount of freight. 30-40 tonnes every day.
is upgraded to the A350 when the aircraft becomes available.
EDI has a proven freight distribution network to boot.
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I work in Logistics so trust me freight doesn't give a damn where it flies from. We use Airlines based on their rates and services gone are the days which airport it flew from in the UK is a major factor.
People would switch freight from EK to QR based on the deal they are given, not the fact they fly from EDI.
Edinburgh may well have a great distribution system Joe, but then again so do most of the airports the MEB3 fly from.
People would switch freight from EK to QR based on the deal they are given, not the fact they fly from EDI.
Edinburgh may well have a great distribution system Joe, but then again so do most of the airports the MEB3 fly from.
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People would switch freight from EK to QR based on the deal they are given, not the fact they fly from EDI
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Which means those 30/40 tonnes from the ME(B3) might well be spread more evenly?
Believe me, pwalhx knows exactly what he's talking about! However, with an increase of capacity and competition, the laws of supply & demand will apply, leading to a general rate p/kg cut, i.e. revenue dilution.
For Scottish airports, the upside could then be a lesser flow of trucked cargo for flights ex MAN & LON, but that would be finite and generally only be applicable for cargo destined east and/or south of the ME hubs. Again, the p/kg yield will have a bearing from those hubs to the destination, perhaps then competing with higher-yielding loads (on the same airline) for cargo ex AMS, CDG & FRA etc. It's all a question of rate/route analysis. Overall though, for the airlines generally, it just means less cake!
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Only a percentage of the carried cargo remains in Middle East, the rest (and majority) connects onwards elsewhere. Of the Middle East carriers who has the biggest cargo capacity and network out of Middle East ? I suspect lots of cargo customers will be wanting the most frequent and widest "catch" for their cargo ops without transportation around the Middle East first. That is where EK wins hands down I suspect and offering twice daily particularly for fresh cargo is a unique selling point from Scotland.
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Agreed 100%. Furthermore, such fresh-produce cargo would attract a premium rate and obviously wouldn't, as a matter of routine, tolerate being trucked down for flights ex MAN & LON etc. As you say, apparently EK already have an established and proven excellent handling record for such loads.
Agreed 100%. Furthermore, such fresh-produce cargo would attract a premium rate and obviously wouldn't, as a matter of routine, tolerate being trucked down for flights ex MAN & LON etc. As you say, apparently EK already have an established and proven excellent handling record for such loads.
It would appear that DL are launching TATL routes from PHL next April. What are the chances of them picking up from where US left?
Loads were decent after one season showing the market was there.
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Loads were decent after one season showing the market was there.
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I would doubt it. There is very little in the way of "new" traffic generated on these type of routes, its just transferring people from one route to another. Those that went to PHL last year will just fill up JFK or EWR this year. Otherwise with PHL in addition, they'll all be going out half empty, as DL ex EDI well knows.
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Otherwise with PHL in addition, they'll all be going out half empty, as DL ex EDI well knows.
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No Joe, he means they were overbooked and high yielding. This is why Delta axed EDI, it made all their other routes look poor by comparison.
Actually EDI-ATL was scheduled too late in the day for optimal connections and EDI-JFK suffered as CO defended their existing Scotland-NYC operation very well. Or perhaps it was a big anti EDI BAA conspiracy as it always, always is......
Also one post per reply is fine, you don't one post for every point FFS. And again, you turn the point towards GLA even when it's irrelevant. Stop trolling old man!
US used PHL as it's was their hub, DL do not have a fraction of the connectivity at PHL that the new US/AA have. So whereas LHR might get by on p2p, EDI could not. The market on EDI-PHL is EDI-USA, not PA per se.
Actually EDI-ATL was scheduled too late in the day for optimal connections and EDI-JFK suffered as CO defended their existing Scotland-NYC operation very well. Or perhaps it was a big anti EDI BAA conspiracy as it always, always is......
Also one post per reply is fine, you don't one post for every point FFS. And again, you turn the point towards GLA even when it's irrelevant. Stop trolling old man!
US used PHL as it's was their hub, DL do not have a fraction of the connectivity at PHL that the new US/AA have. So whereas LHR might get by on p2p, EDI could not. The market on EDI-PHL is EDI-USA, not PA per se.
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Skipness 1E; I agree with your comments about the ATL flight's late departure time (13:45 ISTR) and the consequence was a very late arrival time of onward connections. DL's JFK connections weren't great either, often requiring a change of airport to LGA and/or a five or seven hour layover. As with ATL, the arrival time of the onward connection was invariably far too late for me.
Connections via EWR/LHR/AMS/LGW were always far superior for my journeys, with the result that I never used either of DL's services from EDI. This was a shame as I really would have liked to have supported the routes.
Connections via EWR/LHR/AMS/LGW were always far superior for my journeys, with the result that I never used either of DL's services from EDI. This was a shame as I really would have liked to have supported the routes.