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It is good for BHX and LH that there are so many passengers but if the denied boarding continues, passengers may think twice before booking LH.
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...in that context above, it is therefore even more frustrating that with todays announcement that Ryanair have announced an addition 3x aircraft and 34 new routes from Frankfurt Main, that BHX is not on the list!
Its great that LH is doing well on the route but it would appear from the figures being quoted that competition is indeed needed. Yet whilst BHX doesn't get anything, STN gets 14x weekly, GLA gets 7x weekly and MAN gets 6x weekly!!!
Its great that LH is doing well on the route but it would appear from the figures being quoted that competition is indeed needed. Yet whilst BHX doesn't get anything, STN gets 14x weekly, GLA gets 7x weekly and MAN gets 6x weekly!!!
...in that context above, it is therefore even more frustrating that with todays announcement that Ryanair have announced an addition 3x aircraft and 34 new routes from Frankfurt Main, that BHX is not on the list!
Its great that LH is doing well on the route but it would appear from the figures being quoted that competition is indeed needed. Yet whilst BHX doesn't get anything, STN gets 14x weekly, GLA gets 7x weekly and MAN gets 6x weekly!!!
Its great that LH is doing well on the route but it would appear from the figures being quoted that competition is indeed needed. Yet whilst BHX doesn't get anything, STN gets 14x weekly, GLA gets 7x weekly and MAN gets 6x weekly!!!
However as always with Ryanair, I feel sure they'll pick up PAX from somewhere - else drop the routes within 6 months.
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I'm sure there are enough PAX from MAN to fill 6 FR flights pw as well as up to 5per day with LH. GLA has no LH, so no competition except from EDI with 2/day LH. I think business would have to grow a lot before BHX could sustain two operators on the FRA route.
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I'm not sure who's going to choose Ryanair over Lufthansa, leaving aside the industrial problems for which LH has become imfamous over the past couple of years. Even at 14 weekly, FR wouldn't be appealing to business PAX, they'll be no opportunity for interlining at FRA and to be honest Frankfurt am Main isn't exactly a tourism magnet.
However as always with Ryanair, I feel sure they'll pick up PAX from somewhere - else drop the routes within 6 months.
However as always with Ryanair, I feel sure they'll pick up PAX from somewhere - else drop the routes within 6 months.
I am not suggesting business pax would pick FR over LH, but just look at the facts.
- LH 4x daily flights, commonly full with pax needing to be off-loaded last week due to flights being over sold.
- prices are sky-high reflecting demand. One-way tickets base prices are £150. Flights next week short notice are near £300 one-way
- In comparison, RYR are offering 6x weekly flights from MAN at £14.99!!!
Whilst the current situation is great for business, its pretty dire for tourists. I don't know a single citybreaker that will pay 10-20x price to fly from BHX instead of MAN.
At that variation, BHX will lose market share. For the airport to service its community, it needs to serve both business and locals, not just the high paying business men. A daily FR is unlikely to dent the 4x daily LH operation!!!
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My estimate (based on the numbers who head for connections rather than passport control at FRA) is that at least 75% of passengers on BHX/FRA are connecting. Therefore there are slim pickings for FR.
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To be frank, I think that completely misses the point...
Of course only a small number of tourists are on the LH flights. The LH flights are targeted at Business Pax and Long-haul connections which it does really well. If you are a Tourist however looking for a city break on a modest-medium budget, BHX offers NOTHING for those passangers. They head up the M6, or down the M1 to get the cheaper flights.
Looking at Thursday 14th Dec, returning on Monday 18th , a great time for city breaks in Frankfurt to see the world famous German markets...
BHX - FRA (LH) = £314 Rtn
MAN - FRA (LH) = £258 Rtn
MAN - FRA (FR) = £80 Rtn
STN - FRA (FR) = £106 Rtn
LHR - FRA (BA) = £105 Rtn
With LH having their monopoly on their route, any tourists wishing to fly from BHX will end up paying £200 more than they to fly from Heathrow, or £235 more than they have to fly from Manchester...
Great for yields, awful for choice, competition and people who aren't business men. Is it any wonder that only 75% of the LH are direct travelers... I suspect none of them would want o travel from BHX at those prices!
Of course only a small number of tourists are on the LH flights. The LH flights are targeted at Business Pax and Long-haul connections which it does really well. If you are a Tourist however looking for a city break on a modest-medium budget, BHX offers NOTHING for those passangers. They head up the M6, or down the M1 to get the cheaper flights.
Looking at Thursday 14th Dec, returning on Monday 18th , a great time for city breaks in Frankfurt to see the world famous German markets...
BHX - FRA (LH) = £314 Rtn
MAN - FRA (LH) = £258 Rtn
MAN - FRA (FR) = £80 Rtn
STN - FRA (FR) = £106 Rtn
LHR - FRA (BA) = £105 Rtn
With LH having their monopoly on their route, any tourists wishing to fly from BHX will end up paying £200 more than they to fly from Heathrow, or £235 more than they have to fly from Manchester...
Great for yields, awful for choice, competition and people who aren't business men. Is it any wonder that only 75% of the LH are direct travelers... I suspect none of them would want o travel from BHX at those prices!
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nwoody2001That's interesting. I've just used Expedia to book flight only on the dates you selected. The cheapest was Swiss via Zurich (BHX08:45 FRA13:20) £139.29 return without checked bags including all taxes.
Scrolling down through next two cheapest Brussels Airlines and KLM then Lufthansa 09:00 departure £171.09 return rules as Swiss. They're also offering deals to add Hotel, so it doesn't seem that bad to me.
Scrolling down through next two cheapest Brussels Airlines and KLM then Lufthansa 09:00 departure £171.09 return rules as Swiss. They're also offering deals to add Hotel, so it doesn't seem that bad to me.
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apologies I must stress all the flights were for 2 people sharing. apologies for forgetting to include that in my message.... the prices you see on expedia are therefore the exact same to those im quoting you!
