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Hmm, as a user of the DUS-BHX route I wonder if Eurowings eventually operating for Germanwings will see a downgrading of the product? That will be a great pity if it does. There was a time when we still had a choice (between LC and Legacy carriers) on short haul routes. Sadly that's rapidly fading away now, and like it or not many travellers are being "forced" to fly LC or walk! 
I do understand that the younger generation are quite happy being treated like cattle as long as it's cheap (they don't know any different). Unfortunately oldies like me need enjoy a few basic comforts in our old age. 
I do understand that the younger generation are quite happy being treated like cattle as long as it's cheap (they don't know any different). Unfortunately oldies like me need enjoy a few basic comforts in our old age.
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Re the real World.. and Air France A321s at BHX..
well its just 2 rotations planned at present during the Spring Fair only, summer is showing as 3 A318s.
AT NOTTS.
Andrew am confused, you start off taking a swipe at those talking of possible planned routes... then mention the new AF airline Hop might look at BHX from Lyon, Toulouse..that not a wish list too ??
The fact that they couldn't even fill at 48 seater CR2 from Lyon, and that both BE and BMR are starting both routes from BHX..surely means theres not a cat in hells chance ?
Nigel
Re the real World.. and Air France A321s at BHX..
well its just 2 rotations planned at present during the Spring Fair only, summer is showing as 3 A318s.
AT NOTTS.
Andrew am confused, you start off taking a swipe at those talking of possible planned routes... then mention the new AF airline Hop might look at BHX from Lyon, Toulouse..that not a wish list too ??
The fact that they couldn't even fill at 48 seater CR2 from Lyon, and that both BE and BMR are starting both routes from BHX..surely means theres not a cat in hells chance ?
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It will be Germanwings op. by Eurowings.So the product will change.
If you scroll down on the linked page below, you can see the new fare categories and included services: The 'New Germanwings' - About Germanwings
The Germanwings "Smart Fare" is only slightly more expensive, but incl. onboard catering, luggage, and most importantly, more legroom. That's also the booking class you get when you book Germanwings flights through lufthansa.com rather than germanwings.com.
It will be Germanwings op. by Eurowings.So the product will change.
If you scroll down on the linked page below, you can see the new fare categories and included services: The 'New Germanwings' - About Germanwings
The Germanwings "Smart Fare" is only slightly more expensive, but incl. onboard catering, luggage, and most importantly, more legroom. That's also the booking class you get when you book Germanwings flights through lufthansa.com rather than germanwings.com.
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Nigel
Not quite the same and perhaps I didn't phrase very carefully! What I was conjecting is that Hop! might think about muscling in on the route, which clearly won't sustain 2 carriers, let alone three. With their deep (French government) pockets they would be able to sustain the losses longer than either BMIR or FlyBe - who for financial reasons would almost certainly blink first.
The last thing I would wish for is a third carrier on BHX-LYS!
Andrew am confused, you start off taking a swipe at those talking of possible planned routes... then mention the new AF airline Hop might look at BHX from Lyon, Toulouse..that not a wish list too ??
The last thing I would wish for is a third carrier on BHX-LYS!
Thanks for that info and link insuindi. Interesting and perhaps not so bad after all. Not many miles away from the Virgin America product. I'll be interested to see what the DUS-BHX "standard" fare will be.
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BHX-LYS
AF operated twice a day with a 48 seat aircraft and loads were generally good 70%+ and fares were high (I'm sure OP will confirm this). I think it was Brit Air (who operated the service on behalf of AF) removing the 48 seat CR2 from their LYS base that caused the service to end. If BMIR operate LYS as their last rotation of the day after GOT and TLS then this would be more advantageous to travelers, this of course would be too simple and BMIR have probably planned LYS for a midday departure 
, we will have to wait and see when the schedule comes out on the 5th of Feb.
The Flybe flight will most likely carry an AF flight code.
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, we will have to wait and see when the schedule comes out on the 5th of Feb.The Flybe flight will most likely carry an AF flight code.
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A nessage for spotters!
You have a forum for your questions and, hopefully, your answers. But if you continue to make a nusiance of yourself on the main forums you may find that you are no longer welcome on PPRuNe. Already, there are daft posts, which I have deleted so you are close to being a deletion yourself.
PPRuNe as I have said many times, and other mods have said many times, is here for your enjoyment. If you want to play stupid you will be treated as stupid. Get the message?
We have better things to do with our time but we choose to make your days on PPRuNe more enjoyable. So, the short answer is don't push us too far or you will wish you hadn't.
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THIS IS THE BIRMINGHAM THREAD!!!!
Navpi wrote
Why do you insist on mentioning other airports in the Birmingham thread? You mention Manchester and Manchester Airport in the Birmingham thread all the time! We realise that you have an interest and passion about an airport and city in the North West of England, so why not comment on that thread? Remember the moderators said stick to comments about Birmingham Airport.
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here here.....the thread has become a spotters paradise of late.
PS Hanging on to the second city bit is also a tad lame and tedious, airlines have already decided that one and its either LHR or MAN.... makes brummies sound desparate like Stan Colleymore when he describes "second City derbies" and tries to ham them up.....
Eg Villa V WBA etc ....... too right !
PS Hanging on to the second city bit is also a tad lame and tedious, airlines have already decided that one and its either LHR or MAN.... makes brummies sound desparate like Stan Colleymore when he describes "second City derbies" and tries to ham them up.....
Eg Villa V WBA etc ....... too right !
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BHX could be sold
Hi friends,
just heard on local news that due to Birmingham city council needing to find
millions of £s to maintain services one possibility could be to sell major assets
to raise much needed money.
BHX is one of the assets mentioned as well as the NEC(or parts of).
With the airport well into it's expansion plans I wonder how much of this could be a factor when looking for a buyer.
It will be interesting to see how things pan out with this one!
just heard on local news that due to Birmingham city council needing to find
millions of £s to maintain services one possibility could be to sell major assets
to raise much needed money.
BHX is one of the assets mentioned as well as the NEC(or parts of).
With the airport well into it's expansion plans I wonder how much of this could be a factor when looking for a buyer.
It will be interesting to see how things pan out with this one!
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LX/AF/LH/LYS
Daza
Lyon base fare was around £140 return for economy going up to about £450 the day before departure.
Loads were pretty constant over the years with around 60% load factor in deepest winter and 75-80% high summer, which averages out as you say around 70%. BHX I think was not the last 50 seat CRJ service from Lyon but one of.
GF/Nigel
I have found some more Air France A321 flights: -
Friday 8th x 2 Morning and afternoon
Sunday 10th - evening
Friday 15th - Morning & afternoon and LH 321's on LH959, 954 & 958 plus the lunchtime Swiss operates!!!
Sunday 24/2 - Lunchtime
LH 321's Wed 6/2 lunch, Friday 8/2 lunch, Monday 11/2 lunch, Wed 13/2 lunch, Thursday 14/2 night-stop, as mentioned above Fri 15/2 lunch and night-stop.
Swiss - 16/2 - All three, yes three flights on the A320.
Swiss
Next three nights showing as Swiss European RJ100's and then Helvetic operating both services!
Air France
As Nigel said showing as 3 x A318 in summer at present
Brussels back to two flybe (inc night-stop), Tyrolean and two x SN RJ100's.
EI Regional
Also from June there are three extra EI flights on the ATR72 wherever they may end up going but Dublin could be a red-herring.
I have to say that some of these upgrades are annual with Spring Fair and the half-term break shortly afterwards but the AF A321's are new but you only have to look at the load factors to know that certain flights could see frequent sell-outs.
Pete
Lyon base fare was around £140 return for economy going up to about £450 the day before departure.
Loads were pretty constant over the years with around 60% load factor in deepest winter and 75-80% high summer, which averages out as you say around 70%. BHX I think was not the last 50 seat CRJ service from Lyon but one of.
GF/Nigel
I have found some more Air France A321 flights: -
Friday 8th x 2 Morning and afternoon
Sunday 10th - evening
Friday 15th - Morning & afternoon and LH 321's on LH959, 954 & 958 plus the lunchtime Swiss operates!!!
Sunday 24/2 - Lunchtime
LH 321's Wed 6/2 lunch, Friday 8/2 lunch, Monday 11/2 lunch, Wed 13/2 lunch, Thursday 14/2 night-stop, as mentioned above Fri 15/2 lunch and night-stop.
Swiss - 16/2 - All three, yes three flights on the A320.
Swiss
Next three nights showing as Swiss European RJ100's and then Helvetic operating both services!
Air France
As Nigel said showing as 3 x A318 in summer at present
Brussels back to two flybe (inc night-stop), Tyrolean and two x SN RJ100's.
EI Regional
Also from June there are three extra EI flights on the ATR72 wherever they may end up going but Dublin could be a red-herring.
I have to say that some of these upgrades are annual with Spring Fair and the half-term break shortly afterwards but the AF A321's are new but you only have to look at the load factors to know that certain flights could see frequent sell-outs.
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Nice aerial view in this video of the runway works so far, if anyone is interested. The article that comes with it seems to be the usual promotional stuff.
Apologies if it's been posted previously...
Apologies if it's been posted previously...
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Also from June there are three extra EI flights on the ATR72 wherever they may end up going but Dublin could be a red-herring.
Also from June there are three extra EI flights on the ATR72 wherever they may end up going but Dublin could be a red-herring.
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Nice aerial view in this video of the runway works so far, if anyone is interested.
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Flybe & EIR
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Thank you for the update, quite impressive the number of Airbus flights, in fact the half-term weekend 16/17/2 is now all Airbus.
See your point re Monarch Munich, it was definitely not twice a week in April when it was first released either.
flybe
Aberdeen in the summer has reverted to BHX based timings per the flybe website, the first leaving at 06.50, next 10.50, then 14.55 and finally 18.55.
I make that ten based flybe, plus the SN DH8D and no doubt the spare 195?
New night-stop additions include BM and EI Regional, nine Monarch which could make 40 night-stoppers if Olympic Holidays has an aircraft based although with the summer IT flights they are never all on the ground at the same time.
EI-A330-300
I agree with your reasoning behind the first out but I still have my doubts about at least one of the other two AT72 Dublin flights. Last summers figures I think were about 70-80% load factor depending on the month, which does not indicate a great need for extra seats unless they are spoiling for a fight.
Pete
Thank you for the update, quite impressive the number of Airbus flights, in fact the half-term weekend 16/17/2 is now all Airbus.
See your point re Monarch Munich, it was definitely not twice a week in April when it was first released either.
flybe
Aberdeen in the summer has reverted to BHX based timings per the flybe website, the first leaving at 06.50, next 10.50, then 14.55 and finally 18.55.
I make that ten based flybe, plus the SN DH8D and no doubt the spare 195?
New night-stop additions include BM and EI Regional, nine Monarch which could make 40 night-stoppers if Olympic Holidays has an aircraft based although with the summer IT flights they are never all on the ground at the same time.
EI-A330-300
I agree with your reasoning behind the first out but I still have my doubts about at least one of the other two AT72 Dublin flights. Last summers figures I think were about 70-80% load factor depending on the month, which does not indicate a great need for extra seats unless they are spoiling for a fight.
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2013 @ BHX
Thanks for your 2013 summary and updates, as ever very informative. I really feel some positivity in the air at BHX this year for scheduled flights, yes as has been debated before, there are gaps in European destinations but it's good to see capacity growth on key routes (I forgot to mention TK now at 10 weekly in my previous post) and you never know there could still be more announcements for summer, although getting more unlikely as time marches on. Shame about TS but at least they still fly to BHX, although consolidating to just LGW, MAN and GLA must be something they (Canadian Affair) are thinking about unless they up BHX frequency, i'm sure it was 2 weekly a few years ago?
So, 40 night stop aircraft, impressive. I have counted 84 scheduled destinations from BHX this summer (high season Jun-Sep) which is the highest number served since 2008 when there were 90 (this of course was FR base launch year and when WW had 8 based units). Compared to last year we have lost LIS, PRG, DND, BUD but of course have gained LYS, TLS, SPU, BOD and GOT (this could have operated last summer, I can't remember!)
I am hanging on for BM to release their schedules for LYS to see how they stack up against BE, would like to fly both! It's a great city for a weekend away with amazing food and normally it's hot and sunny over the summer.
EI are up to something? I wonder if there could be a new destination (for them) on the cards? BHD? Kerry? Or a head to head with FR on the DUB route?
So, 40 night stop aircraft, impressive. I have counted 84 scheduled destinations from BHX this summer (high season Jun-Sep) which is the highest number served since 2008 when there were 90 (this of course was FR base launch year and when WW had 8 based units). Compared to last year we have lost LIS, PRG, DND, BUD but of course have gained LYS, TLS, SPU, BOD and GOT (this could have operated last summer, I can't remember!)
I am hanging on for BM to release their schedules for LYS to see how they stack up against BE, would like to fly both! It's a great city for a weekend away with amazing food and normally it's hot and sunny over the summer.
EI are up to something? I wonder if there could be a new destination (for them) on the cards? BHD? Kerry? Or a head to head with FR on the DUB route?
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Any idea what this new EIR route may be? It does seem like overkill having 3x ATR and 3x A320 on the DUB route, albeit great frequency. Was wondering about BHD or maybe NOC instead of SNN based.....or just increasing NOC because last summer it was 90% + L/F.
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Birmingham Summer 2013
GayFriendly wrote
You forgot that scheduled services new for Summer 2013 are Stockholm and Gibraltar and on the charter flight front new are Preveza, Marrakech and I think Hurgada also returns this Summer. (I'm not sure if TCX operated it last summer)?
Daza
Compared to last year we have lost LIS, PRG, DND, BUD but of course have gained LYS, TLS, SPU, BOD and GOT
Daza
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