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im sure we will, remember until March 2016, our figures will still feel the impact of the Flybe and Monarch cuts that took place earlier this year. Once they are out of the way, growth should continue to increase...
Some interesting and impressive figures out regarding Long-Haul
Air India
(Delhi/Amritsar) = 11,096 (+83%) – Impressive
American Airlines
(New York JFK) = 6,257 (n/a) – Disappointing/Slow LF
Emirates
(Dubai) = 57,530 (+27%) – Not bad as capacity went up just under 30%
Pakistan International
(Islamabad) = 5,906 (+7%) – Even this has grown, it’s been a while!
Thompson
(Cancun) = 4,941 (+120%)
(Sanford) = 2,830 (+24%)
Turkish Airlines
(Istanbul) = 13,337 (+27%)
Turkmenistan
(Ashkabad) = 3,669 (-29%) slowly recovering, LHR = 927pax (-53%)
United Airlines
(New York Newark) = 8,341 (-1%) – As if AA never happened!!!!
To my mind, some impressive figures…. I just find it frustrating that we carry 27% more pax direct from BHX to that famous family tourist spot of Ashkabad than we do to Florida!!!!
Some interesting and impressive figures out regarding Long-Haul
Air India
(Delhi/Amritsar) = 11,096 (+83%) – Impressive
American Airlines
(New York JFK) = 6,257 (n/a) – Disappointing/Slow LF
Emirates
(Dubai) = 57,530 (+27%) – Not bad as capacity went up just under 30%
Pakistan International
(Islamabad) = 5,906 (+7%) – Even this has grown, it’s been a while!
Thompson
(Cancun) = 4,941 (+120%)
(Sanford) = 2,830 (+24%)
Turkish Airlines
(Istanbul) = 13,337 (+27%)
Turkmenistan
(Ashkabad) = 3,669 (-29%) slowly recovering, LHR = 927pax (-53%)
United Airlines
(New York Newark) = 8,341 (-1%) – As if AA never happened!!!!
To my mind, some impressive figures…. I just find it frustrating that we carry 27% more pax direct from BHX to that famous family tourist spot of Ashkabad than we do to Florida!!!!
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im sure we will, remember until March 2016, our figures will still feel the impact of the Flybe and Monarch cuts that took place earlier this year. Once they are out of the way, growth should continue to increase...
Some interesting and impressive figures out regarding Long-Haul
Air India
(Delhi/Amritsar) = 11,096 (+83%) – Impressive
American Airlines
(New York JFK) = 6,257 (n/a) – Disappointing/Slow LF
Emirates
(Dubai) = 57,530 (+27%) – Not bad as capacity went up just under 30%
Pakistan International
(Islamabad) = 5,906 (+7%) – Even this has grown, it’s been a while!
Thompson
(Cancun) = 4,941 (+120%)
(Sanford) = 2,830 (+24%)
Turkish Airlines
(Istanbul) = 13,337 (+27%)
Turkmenistan
(Ashkabad) = 3,669 (-29%) slowly recovering, LHR = 927pax (-53%)
United Airlines
(New York Newark) = 8,341 (-1%) – As if AA never happened!!!!
To my mind, some impressive figures…. I just find it frustrating that we carry 27% more pax direct from BHX to that famous family tourist spot of Ashkabad than we do to Florida!!!!
Some interesting and impressive figures out regarding Long-Haul
Air India
(Delhi/Amritsar) = 11,096 (+83%) – Impressive
American Airlines
(New York JFK) = 6,257 (n/a) – Disappointing/Slow LF
Emirates
(Dubai) = 57,530 (+27%) – Not bad as capacity went up just under 30%
Pakistan International
(Islamabad) = 5,906 (+7%) – Even this has grown, it’s been a while!
Thompson
(Cancun) = 4,941 (+120%)
(Sanford) = 2,830 (+24%)
Turkish Airlines
(Istanbul) = 13,337 (+27%)
Turkmenistan
(Ashkabad) = 3,669 (-29%) slowly recovering, LHR = 927pax (-53%)
United Airlines
(New York Newark) = 8,341 (-1%) – As if AA never happened!!!!
To my mind, some impressive figures…. I just find it frustrating that we carry 27% more pax direct from BHX to that famous family tourist spot of Ashkabad than we do to Florida!!!!
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Qatar selling well
Qatar Air Mulls Gatwick Route as Heathrow Flight Upgraded to 787
November 18, 2015 — 8:57 AM GMT
Qatar Airways Ltd. is examining the business case for its first flights to London Gatwick airport as well as services to Ireland as the second-biggest Gulf airline plots its next moves for expansion in the British Isles.
With slots at London’s crowded Heathrow hub tough to come by, flying to Gatwick would be the next best option for adding seats to the U.K. capital, Richard Oliver, country manager for the U.K. and Ireland, said in an interview.
Qatar Air this week boosted capacity at Heathrow, where it has six daily flights, by dropping its 40-business-seat Airbus Group SE A319 service to Doha in favour of a Boeing Co. 787 with 254 seats. Away from London, it’s looking at serving southwest England and possibly another Scottish airport, Oliver said.
“We still see huge potential for growth in Britain,” Oliver said. “There’s a stable economy, a valuable currency and a firm market.” While Qatar Air’s first deployment of a 787 to the U.K. will cut business berths on the flight by 18 versus the A319, the switch, made Sunday, will still boost revenue, he said.
Flights to Ireland, among options under review, could target either the capital Dublin, competing with Dubai-based Emirates and Abu Dhabi’s Etihad Airways PJSC, or Belfast in Northern Ireland, a location not yet served by any of the three leading Gulf carriers.
Sales on a new route to Birmingham, which starts in March with eight weekly flights, are ahead of expectations, according to Oliver. He said he’d ideally like to offer triple-daily services there, as well on Qatar Air’s Manchester and Edinburgh routes, to match the three waves of departures from the Doha hub.
Bigger wide-body planes may also be deployed in other Heathrow slots, Oliver said. It’s unlikely the carrier will add to its two Airbus A380 services given the size of the superjumbo fleet, which is six strong, with four on order
November 18, 2015 — 8:57 AM GMT
Qatar Airways Ltd. is examining the business case for its first flights to London Gatwick airport as well as services to Ireland as the second-biggest Gulf airline plots its next moves for expansion in the British Isles.
With slots at London’s crowded Heathrow hub tough to come by, flying to Gatwick would be the next best option for adding seats to the U.K. capital, Richard Oliver, country manager for the U.K. and Ireland, said in an interview.
Qatar Air this week boosted capacity at Heathrow, where it has six daily flights, by dropping its 40-business-seat Airbus Group SE A319 service to Doha in favour of a Boeing Co. 787 with 254 seats. Away from London, it’s looking at serving southwest England and possibly another Scottish airport, Oliver said.
“We still see huge potential for growth in Britain,” Oliver said. “There’s a stable economy, a valuable currency and a firm market.” While Qatar Air’s first deployment of a 787 to the U.K. will cut business berths on the flight by 18 versus the A319, the switch, made Sunday, will still boost revenue, he said.
Flights to Ireland, among options under review, could target either the capital Dublin, competing with Dubai-based Emirates and Abu Dhabi’s Etihad Airways PJSC, or Belfast in Northern Ireland, a location not yet served by any of the three leading Gulf carriers.
Sales on a new route to Birmingham, which starts in March with eight weekly flights, are ahead of expectations, according to Oliver. He said he’d ideally like to offer triple-daily services there, as well on Qatar Air’s Manchester and Edinburgh routes, to match the three waves of departures from the Doha hub.
Bigger wide-body planes may also be deployed in other Heathrow slots, Oliver said. It’s unlikely the carrier will add to its two Airbus A380 services given the size of the superjumbo fleet, which is six strong, with four on order
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S16 update
Blue Air - The twice weekly service is showing as a B737-400
Eurowings - A320 on all Dusseldorf services except Sat from Oct, Friday Hamburg changes to an A320 from 1APR and Sundays an A320 from Oct
Lufthansa - Munich all services by A319 except for the weekend pm flight (E195)
Monarch - Based aircraft are 6 x A321 and 2 x A320
Thomas Cook - Based aircraft are 3 x A321 plus 1 x A320 from Smart Lynx
Thomson - 7 x based aircraft on most days. Saturday Verona is now a 'W' at lunchtime, so 8 different aircraft on Saturday, with an extra FUE added Sat pm. Monday am Palma on Evelop added from 30May
Blue Air - The twice weekly service is showing as a B737-400
Eurowings - A320 on all Dusseldorf services except Sat from Oct, Friday Hamburg changes to an A320 from 1APR and Sundays an A320 from Oct
Lufthansa - Munich all services by A319 except for the weekend pm flight (E195)
Monarch - Based aircraft are 6 x A321 and 2 x A320
Thomas Cook - Based aircraft are 3 x A321 plus 1 x A320 from Smart Lynx
Thomson - 7 x based aircraft on most days. Saturday Verona is now a 'W' at lunchtime, so 8 different aircraft on Saturday, with an extra FUE added Sat pm. Monday am Palma on Evelop added from 30May
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Re: Eurowings
Interesting. No doubt this will come with a reduced frequency, probably 2 flights a day. The CRJs average about 66% at best now. I can't see 3 A320 rotations per weekday making any money.
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Read an interesting article on anna.aero recently regarding Flybe and it's position at UK Airports based on this month.
It appears that Birmingham is still the top base when looking at monthly seat capacity changes, but is only ahead of Manchester by just over 500 seats (Birmingham seat capacity is down by 2.1% with Manchester growing by 9.1%) Overall seats for Birmingham for the month were listed at just under 116,000 (I assume this is based on both arriving and departing seats ?)
It appears that Birmingham is still the top base when looking at monthly seat capacity changes, but is only ahead of Manchester by just over 500 seats (Birmingham seat capacity is down by 2.1% with Manchester growing by 9.1%) Overall seats for Birmingham for the month were listed at just under 116,000 (I assume this is based on both arriving and departing seats ?)
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to those of you who have not seen the article referred to be David Sharpe above, a link can be found below:
Flybe to open Doncaster Sheffield base but will close Bournemouth for S16
A very interesting read and goes to show the state of flux Flybe are currently in. In fact when you consider that Flybe were operating 9 routes more this time last year compared to this, i'm amazed the drop in seats is only 2.1%!!!
what will be interesting is to see a similar exercise for summer next year. According to their summer schedule, the number of flybe flights per week in summer will increase between 15-20%, although with the use of the smaller E175 and Q400 to replace the A195s used this year, means the increase in the number of seat wont be as large, but I still expect it will be circa 10-15%.
I don't know how that increase compares to the MAN summer schedule but im confidence next year will be a better year for flybe at BHX than 2015 was!
Flybe to open Doncaster Sheffield base but will close Bournemouth for S16
A very interesting read and goes to show the state of flux Flybe are currently in. In fact when you consider that Flybe were operating 9 routes more this time last year compared to this, i'm amazed the drop in seats is only 2.1%!!!
what will be interesting is to see a similar exercise for summer next year. According to their summer schedule, the number of flybe flights per week in summer will increase between 15-20%, although with the use of the smaller E175 and Q400 to replace the A195s used this year, means the increase in the number of seat wont be as large, but I still expect it will be circa 10-15%.
I don't know how that increase compares to the MAN summer schedule but im confidence next year will be a better year for flybe at BHX than 2015 was!
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Will BHX secure a Chinese service? All that work with charters and then MAN gets all of it, I would have thought with the manufacturing connections that BHX would have got something. BTW I'm not knocking MAN.
FQTLSteve
But don`t forget MAN have been working for about 10 years on
the routes so in due respect.
BHX is in the same position as MAN was about 20 years ago
and it will come but not all at once or I hope not because that is
the point where it can all go t*ts up because too much happens at once
and you loose the lot.
Ian
But don`t forget MAN have been working for about 10 years on
the routes so in due respect.
BHX is in the same position as MAN was about 20 years ago
and it will come but not all at once or I hope not because that is
the point where it can all go t*ts up because too much happens at once
and you loose the lot.
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BHX not been very accommodating to FR668, been trying to depart since 22.33 and BHX say must be on finals by 00:00 or they won't accept. Now they are going to depart for BHX and divert to EMA. Going to return to stand as some passengers wan't to off load now.
It's like MAN with it's diversions policy, over here when the main runway is due to close they would never close it and turn traffic if crosswind couldn't be used.
It's like MAN with it's diversions policy, over here when the main runway is due to close they would never close it and turn traffic if crosswind couldn't be used.
Given that China will continue to increase in economic and business importance over the next decade or so, then I'm sure BHX will get scheduled Chinese services, and what has happened with China and BHX / MAN has only happened, in reverse with India. We don't know at present what the coming China charters season will produce, but there's no reason why growth shouldn't be on the cards, despite the new MAN services.
At least now BHX has a facility which can compete on a level playing field with MAN and London - leaving aside political meddling.
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FR668
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BHX is probably one of the most accommodating airports in the UK - usually 24/7 350 days of the year and takes what diversions it can logistically cope with even when coaches are an issue.
The other 15 days are annual closures for runway and general maintenance (November and first week of December) where the contractors get the runway from 23.10.
I would say 00.00 is over generous as last night was final scheduled night closure of the year and I believe penalties might apply for late handover.
Now if you want to talk about CAT 3 ILS on runway 33 that might be more contentious but I don't want to go there.
Norwegian Madrid - Third frequency added back next summer.
Thomas Cook winter 2016/7 Seems to be two based for the first time with Banjul doubled with Hurghada added plus Larnaca and Paphos.
Pete
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BHX is probably one of the most accommodating airports in the UK - usually 24/7 350 days of the year and takes what diversions it can logistically cope with even when coaches are an issue.
The other 15 days are annual closures for runway and general maintenance (November and first week of December) where the contractors get the runway from 23.10.
I would say 00.00 is over generous as last night was final scheduled night closure of the year and I believe penalties might apply for late handover.
Now if you want to talk about CAT 3 ILS on runway 33 that might be more contentious but I don't want to go there.
Norwegian Madrid - Third frequency added back next summer.
Thomas Cook winter 2016/7 Seems to be two based for the first time with Banjul doubled with Hurghada added plus Larnaca and Paphos.
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The MEBs are much more hub orientatet that is a totally different market.
I would have thought that cities in China are more point to point although clearly there are "some' hubbing opportunities.
With flights into London and now potentially multiple routes into Manchester is Birmingham somewhat squeezed ?
I would have thought that cities in China are more point to point although clearly there are "some' hubbing opportunities.
With flights into London and now potentially multiple routes into Manchester is Birmingham somewhat squeezed ?
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Hi Bagso
Re your;
<< With flights into London and now potentially multiple routes into Manchester is Birmingham somewhat squeezed >>
Spoken like a true Manchester enthusiast
I think with the West Midlands powerhouse now being formed we will be the next in line for Govt special treatment
BHX are confident of a much larger charter programme to China next year (we shall see)and likely imo BHX and probably EDI will get schedules in the coming years too.
Nigel
Re your;
<< With flights into London and now potentially multiple routes into Manchester is Birmingham somewhat squeezed >>
Spoken like a true Manchester enthusiast
I think with the West Midlands powerhouse now being formed we will be the next in line for Govt special treatment
BHX are confident of a much larger charter programme to China next year (we shall see)and likely imo BHX and probably EDI will get schedules in the coming years too.
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A question really for Olton Pete but any one really.
Quote:
"Now if you want to talk about CAT 3 ILS on runway 33 that might be more contentious but I don't want to go there."
I have wondered about this one. OK the 33 LOC is at the 15 end of the facility, has there been a lot of remedial work, drainage etc or in the taxiway Loop.
The 33 GP, again looking at the pictures: a lot of work, was done re the extension; in the "Ground plane" of the antenna array. I realise it takes months for the "ground" settle both geologically and in terms of its electrical conductivity in relation to the propagation of radio waves to stabilise
As an alternative query: has the extension with its lengthening of the LDA's at both ends, especially 15' meant that its economically advantageous to accept CATIII operations only at the 15 end with consequent operational limitations by virtue of tail wind imposed on operators.
I worked in Sheldon and it was very possible to get 100 Metre vis (not a measure of RVR) with a 15 knot northerly wind.( Micro climate varies a lot)
A quizzical CAT III
"Now if you want to talk about CAT 3 ILS on runway 33 that might be more contentious but I don't want to go there."
I have wondered about this one. OK the 33 LOC is at the 15 end of the facility, has there been a lot of remedial work, drainage etc or in the taxiway Loop.
The 33 GP, again looking at the pictures: a lot of work, was done re the extension; in the "Ground plane" of the antenna array. I realise it takes months for the "ground" settle both geologically and in terms of its electrical conductivity in relation to the propagation of radio waves to stabilise
As an alternative query: has the extension with its lengthening of the LDA's at both ends, especially 15' meant that its economically advantageous to accept CATIII operations only at the 15 end with consequent operational limitations by virtue of tail wind imposed on operators.
I worked in Sheldon and it was very possible to get 100 Metre vis (not a measure of RVR) with a 15 knot northerly wind.( Micro climate varies a lot)
A quizzical CAT III