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I don't think there can be much doubt that Stobart were totally unaware that Ryanair planned a CGN-STN route. The surprising thing is that the CGN authorities didn't see fit to make this known to them, even in general terms, at the time of Stobart's negotiations with them.
I don't think there can be much doubt that Stobart were totally unaware that Ryanair planned a CGN-STN route. The surprising thing is that the CGN authorities didn't see fit to make this known to them, even in general terms, at the time of Stobart's negotiations with them.
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Particularly when dealing with a mad Irishman I would suggest that, as far as CGN airport were concerned, no deal is done until the signature ink is dry, CGN's not likely to turn Stobart away whilst Ryanair might still be playing silly buggers regarding prices etc, and it probably added weight to CGN's negotiations with Ryanair to have Stobart already in situ to operate a LON service.
Particularly when dealing with a mad Irishman I would suggest that, as far as CGN airport were concerned, no deal is done until the signature ink is dry, CGN's not likely to turn Stobart away whilst Ryanair might still be playing silly buggers regarding prices etc, and it probably added weight to CGN's negotiations with Ryanair to have Stobart already in situ to operate a LON service.
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may be Stobart Air have a lesson learnt from this.
I hope they will not be scared off by the bully boys in aviation.
I still think a Hamburg service to LON-SEN would be better than CGN.
I hope they will not be scared off by the bully boys in aviation.
I still think a Hamburg service to LON-SEN would be better than CGN.
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Can we not try Southend to Dusseldorf? Was once run using Heralds.....how about Ostend? Was up to six times daily using BUAF. Oostende if Davidjohnson6 is on board.
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I'm an enthusiast (Spotter) but would never tackle the people who actually worked for the airlines. I just make suggestions.
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I agree already Dusseldorf (and Hamburg) would be good cities to serve...Ostend not. Most of our flights in those days were air/coach holiday connections. I can't believe thousands used to fly to Ostend then go on by bus to Italy, Aistria, Spain, etc for their holidays. How times have changed!
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Yes, I did Coventry-Beauvais on a Janus Viscount 700, then on a coach to Lloret de Mar! But at least I got on a Viscount, worst thing is that return was scheduled on the herald, but switched at last minute!!
Who remembers Janus Airways?
Who remembers Janus Airways?
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Cymmon - could you please explain your comment about my being on board a flight to Oostende ? I don't understand what you are trying to say either to or about me
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SEN-DUS was operated back when there were no three daily flights each from STN and LCY...
DUS has plenty of flights from LHR, LGW, LCY and STN. Don't think there is room for a once daily SEN service.
I think Flybe will need to look for a third-level airport like PAD, SCN or ERF without a LON service and not a major airport for which the SEN service would be like the 20th daily London flight.
DUS has plenty of flights from LHR, LGW, LCY and STN. Don't think there is room for a once daily SEN service.
I think Flybe will need to look for a third-level airport like PAD, SCN or ERF without a LON service and not a major airport for which the SEN service would be like the 20th daily London flight.
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Still think Stobart/ Flybe should look at taking on the EDI route., or if not GLA. I cant understand why Easyjet are dropping EDI, got the impression the flights were heavily used?
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As I had suggested earlier, one reason why Stobart Air is not offering GLA/EDI/BFS could be that the franchsie agreement only covers international flights but not domestic flights. Given that Flybe's main business is domestic flights with 78 seater aircraft, they may very well be happy to have Loganair operating domestic flights in 30 seater markets, but not Stobart Air with 70 seaters on routes that potentially could be of interest for Flybe's Q400 as well. Who knows...
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Just reading your comments there; I sense that StobartAir can fly whatever route it wants. But I cannot confirm if there are stipulations about flying domestically or not. However, their ambition to fly Carlisle Southend suggests that domestics are very much in scope ( of course Carlisle apt approval another).
What it seems to me is that Stobart Air are trying to in the main identify gaps in the market served from London (or sides of London) and develop them accordingly in a niche fashion .
What would be interesting would be if Stobart wanted to launch SEN BHD, the choice of brand that would be utilised, given the development of EI in the London Belfast market yet the strength of BE as a bend too .
Of course EIR not having a base in BHD may be a determining factor but nonetheless if they did the choice would surely be a little contentious ...
Just reading your comments there; I sense that StobartAir can fly whatever route it wants. But I cannot confirm if there are stipulations about flying domestically or not. However, their ambition to fly Carlisle Southend suggests that domestics are very much in scope ( of course Carlisle apt approval another).
What it seems to me is that Stobart Air are trying to in the main identify gaps in the market served from London (or sides of London) and develop them accordingly in a niche fashion .
What would be interesting would be if Stobart wanted to launch SEN BHD, the choice of brand that would be utilised, given the development of EI in the London Belfast market yet the strength of BE as a bend too .
Of course EIR not having a base in BHD may be a determining factor but nonetheless if they did the choice would surely be a little contentious ...
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I worked in OST for two or three years, with little exception about the only passenger flights we saw were diversions from BRU.
Someone willing to travel from W-Belgium to London with arrival before 10AM,needs to take the train between 6AM-6.30AM for arrival in st-Pancras at 09.57. Total travelling time more than 4 hours and 1-2 transfers with a cost for a morning/evening return ticket being a staggering EUR 639.(lower fares available,but very much off-peak) If OST-SEN airconnection would be available,same person could leave from OST around a more convenient 8AM and arrive in London Liverpool station around 9.15. And with the current trainfares,there should be some room to come to a decent air/train fare via SEN. In previous posts some people referred to the competition of the Chunnel when comparing with the succesful SEN-OST Sixties connection. True, but in the meantime SEN has some extra assets such as the trainstation and the relative good connection with London. Also SEN-OST should not be seen as a standalone route,but in combination with connections to/from DUB,EDI,JER,...
So,based on this ,I believe airlines currently operating from SEN (or potential newcomers) should give this idea some thought.
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What about somewhere like Maastricht? Would that work from SEN? I appreciate it's the Netherlands but looks like it's fairly straight forward to get to DUS or CGN by main road
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Cologne replacement?
This Thursday, a new route from Maastricht will be announced, according to local news reports. The airline and destination have not been revealed yet. Could this be the replacement for Cologne?