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Old 4th May 2017, 17:39
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Where is China Airlines in all of this? Don't the Chinese have all the dosh?
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Old 4th May 2017, 18:57
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China has been invaded by the Fat Wun and his glorious army.
Turned out that he was an ally of Trump all along.
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Old 4th May 2017, 19:31
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Originally Posted by HH6702
Personally I think that all the low cost carriers Ryanair, EasyJet and vueling will all base extra aircraft in Italy ASAP so that when AZ does go there is others already waiting to carry there pax.

Is there many routes that are not currently serve by other airlines or does AZ have competition on most routes
Ryanair already carrys more passengers in Italian market than Alitalia and has for last 3-4 years.
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Old 4th May 2017, 23:00
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So expect Ryanair to turn up the pressure on the market
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Old 5th May 2017, 14:18
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Not so sure FR has the pilots to up their flying programme much. From what I hear it's a bit tight.
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Old 5th May 2017, 20:50
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Originally Posted by skyloone
Not so sure FR has the pilots to up their flying programme much. From what I hear it's a bit tight.
Wet leasing aircraft in which previously did the route for Alitalia is a likely option. After all flight crew just made unemployed may like that option.
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Old 17th May 2017, 10:33
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Perhaps unsurprising but IAG and AF-KL have both ruled themselve out from getting involved with any attempt to save Alitalia. Lufthansa and Norwegian ruled themselves out a while ago. Easyjet are actively interested in opportunities post Alitalia collapse. The Italian Govt had ruled out a full-scale bailout

I suppose there is still the longshot of HNA but options right now seems meagre

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Old 18th May 2017, 22:08
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The vultures are gathering in the trees above.
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Old 18th May 2017, 22:32
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New routes for Alitalia !

Alitalia will launch new long haul routes to Los Angeles, Delhi and the Maldives. I had imagined that passengers would be cautious (ie lousy ticket sales) about paying funds many months ahead for a product that may very well not materialise or cause them to be stranded in a city far from home but perhaps I am just a bit negative

I used to think that airlines in trouble would typically cut out any new high risk launches and focus on getting the existing business stabilised but maybe I'm missing something here...
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Old 19th May 2017, 05:34
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UK customers could always pay by credit card (if the fares are over £100) and get their money back it it goes to the wall.
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Old 19th May 2017, 06:10
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There seems to be no penalty for destroying yields using other people's money in this case those owed money by Alitalia and the italian state. Air Berlin appears to have been doing the same thing, losing millions a day while selling seats at dumping prices. The employees of other airlines are also losing out, as lower ticket prices directly affect the financial health of their own companies.
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Old 19th May 2017, 09:26
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A decade ago, I needed to fly from Amsterdam to Rome and opted for KLM purely because I feared Alitalia was bout to go out of business.

This is the longest goodbye in history.
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Old 20th May 2017, 19:54
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Air Berlin appears to have been doing the same thing, losing millions a day while selling seats at dumping prices. The employees of other airlines are also losing out, as lower ticket prices directly affect the financial health of their own companies.

In early 80's I was in the UK charter airline business. Laker had screwed it self over buying too many Airbuses. It tried to survive by creating cash flow and dumping seats on the charter market. Competitors followed suit. Laker went bust anyway and we were penalised with lower T's & C's. Hindsight is wonderful. We should not have dropped prices & standards.
Ah. Look what LoCo's have done to the traditional industry. Yes; they have broken the cartel of prices, but T's & C's have also suffered, badly. However, there major majors seem to have kept acceptable standards for pax, maintained reasonable T's & C's and still make handsome profits. It takes team work. Unfortunately in some LoCo's that is lacking and the balance of power is one sided. It just takes common sense team work for a common goal and less greed on both sides.
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 16:26
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Deadline for nonbinding expressions of interest in purchasing Alitalia (or its assets) has now passed. Commissioners are presumably now opening the envelopes as I type this message
RAI reports that Lufthansa has confirmed no interest, but rumours exist that Delta or a private equity fund (Cerberus or Indigo Capital) might wish to proceed further in the process

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Old 6th Jun 2017, 08:13
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Why on earth would anybody want to invest in Alitalia, especially a private equity fund if it can't asset strip or show a return in a few hours. Alitalia has a poor reputation, it loses money faster than it can be pumped in and has a workforce that is in total denial. Certainly the Italian market is worth some investment, once the EU have sorted its banking problems (some nasty medicine may have to be taken). Once that is done, existing market players will expand and/or either new operators will move in. But it won't be Alitalia. After all, it can't be illegally subsidised (again) by its government. Surely not...
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Old 6th Jun 2017, 10:24
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Trojan horse?

What's it's fleet like.
Buy airline having negotiated all liabilities, pensions etc... to state then start again with new t&c's on same frames, licences. Axe/shrink short haul.... and get hold of LH frames currently not available cheaply by other means. Can think of one party who has some previous and has a current wish list!
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Old 6th Jun 2017, 17:03
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What's it's fleet like.

There are many EI- reg a/c. What's the consequence of shutting up shop? What would the consequence be if anyone else tried to take them over?
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Old 6th Jun 2017, 22:00
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As indicated a couple of weeks ago 90% of fleet is EI registered hence likely Leased.
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Old 7th Jun 2017, 04:43
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Reuters reports that 32 nonbinding expressions of interest in Alitalia were received by the commissioners. Some of these may be simply a rival wanting just a sneaky look at the books of Alitalia with zero intention of ever making a binding bid
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Old 24th Jun 2017, 10:23
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Non-binding bids for assets of Alitalia due by 21 July
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