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Great news for LPL. I was hoping that MAN would get this route however the more choice from the North-West the better. Its also nice to see Liverpool getting some new routes for a change. Good luck with it and congratulations!
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Thank you, Domy Dom. It's good indeed to see additional routes to the North West and whilst I'm delighted to see Saudia, Rouge etc at Manchester it is sensible to see new routes at Liverpool as well. If we can gain co operation rather than anhiallation between the two airports then maybe we can leverage the best outcomes.
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- Norwegian? Perhaps an Oslo route would make more sense than their short lived CPH route. If Ryanair can make Rygge work, then surely a better placed airport would be attractive
- Norwegian? Perhaps an Oslo route would make more sense than their short lived CPH route. If Ryanair can make Rygge work, then surely a better placed airport would be attractive
Now to your first sentence: Norwegian has for a few years flown to the most sensible airport in the North West, MAN, with flights from ARN, OSL and SVG. But I guess you won't see DY fly to MAN from CPH since they try to avoid being the third airline on a route.
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Eye2eye5,
Well said and I think that is the future for our region to get the best outcome for all of us. Strength in numbers and diversity as well!
All the best,
DomyDom
Well said and I think that is the future for our region to get the best outcome for all of us. Strength in numbers and diversity as well!
All the best,
DomyDom
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One extra flight per week to Warsaw next summer. Also Katowice, Riga and Vilnius are now in the drop down menu but don't seem to be any flights bookable. Possible new routes as well??
Edit: Riga is on sale, 2x weekly from APR24.
Edit: Riga is on sale, 2x weekly from APR24.
LJLA have today announced a change in leadership. The new CEO is Andrew Cornish who is the former MD of Manchester Airport and was recently chief customer and brand officer at Aer Lingus.
Change in leadership at Liverpool John Lennon Airport - Liverpool John Lennon Airport
Change in leadership at Liverpool John Lennon Airport - Liverpool John Lennon Airport
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And looks as if the new CEO is going to have quite a challenge looking at the Ryanair Schedule for Summer 2015:
In June 2015 there is currently:
4 based aircraft
27 destinations
103 weekly return flights
With the exception of a few gaps in the day, the schedule does firmly reflect a 4 aircraft base, which is one less than this year.
However I've had a glance at August 2015 and it looks a bit bulkier so maybe a 5th aircraft by then but haven't looked properly yet.
Shannon as expected will not continue next summer. Also... quite a few other destinations including Ibiza, Kos, Nimes, Rhodes and Reus look as if they will only operate in August for 2015!!
FR still look to have 7 a/c in MAN next summer but as it stands is an increase in the number weekly flights.
Either way, really not looking too good for LPL.
In June 2015 there is currently:
4 based aircraft
27 destinations
103 weekly return flights
With the exception of a few gaps in the day, the schedule does firmly reflect a 4 aircraft base, which is one less than this year.
However I've had a glance at August 2015 and it looks a bit bulkier so maybe a 5th aircraft by then but haven't looked properly yet.
Shannon as expected will not continue next summer. Also... quite a few other destinations including Ibiza, Kos, Nimes, Rhodes and Reus look as if they will only operate in August for 2015!!
FR still look to have 7 a/c in MAN next summer but as it stands is an increase in the number weekly flights.
Either way, really not looking too good for LPL.
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Given your subsequent qualification of Manchester's potential requirement for 2015 (assisted by A N Other) is it possible that the Liverpool requirement is also higher than you estimate? As an example, Reus appears to be an August only outlier at both airports. Having an August only peak doesn't appear to be a Ryanair pattern I am familiar with.
Given your subsequent qualification of Manchester's potential requirement for 2015 (assisted by A N Other) is it possible that the Liverpool requirement is also higher than you estimate? As an example, Reus appears to be an August only outlier at both airports. Having an August only peak doesn't appear to be a Ryanair pattern I am familiar with.
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Reus (and Girona) are something of a special case as RYR are rapidly expanding operations at the main Barcelona El Prat Airport. These are worrying times for nearby Reus and Girona.
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Ryanair spokesman is stating 5 based aircraft for 2015. Same number of routes as 2014, a couple of increases in rotations but loss of Shannon results in 50k less passengers.
Ryanair could add extra flights for Liverpool FC Champions League games - Liverpool Echo
Ryanair could add extra flights for Liverpool FC Champions League games - Liverpool Echo
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And whilst rather lacking in substance, the latest article in the Echo appears to suggest that Ryanair are committed to growth at Liverpool, the main stumbling block being aircraft availability. This should be rectified as new deliveries are made. Note that again, Liverpool and Manchester are seen as separate markets.
Ryanair committed to John Lennon Airport and vows to return to growth - Liverpool Echo
Ryanair committed to John Lennon Airport and vows to return to growth - Liverpool Echo
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FR will allocate their new deliveries to where they think they can make the best returns and as they have said, LPL is not that place for them at the moment. There's nothing to say they won't put more aircraft into LPL in the future.
MAN and LPL are separate markets but due to the geography, the catchment area overlaps quite substantially. MAN is where they are putting growth into at the moment so understandably LPL is not going to be their next priority for growth.
At least they are able to pretty much maintain the size of their operation in LPL whilst putting growth into MAN unlike certain airlines who only seem to cannibalise one airport at the expense of growth at another.
When you look at the north or north-west region overall (including say LPL, MAN, LBA) FR has brought a fantastic amount of growth over the last few years.
MAN and LPL are separate markets but due to the geography, the catchment area overlaps quite substantially. MAN is where they are putting growth into at the moment so understandably LPL is not going to be their next priority for growth.
At least they are able to pretty much maintain the size of their operation in LPL whilst putting growth into MAN unlike certain airlines who only seem to cannibalise one airport at the expense of growth at another.
When you look at the north or north-west region overall (including say LPL, MAN, LBA) FR has brought a fantastic amount of growth over the last few years.
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Absolutely. The positive slant in the piece is the acknowledgement that demand exists and confirmation that the airline has a good relationship (ie pricing) with the airport. Whilst MAN may get the lion's share of additional short term growth, further routes from Liverpool have not been ruled out.
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FRatSTN, I freely admit I am being a bit pedantic here, but where exactly has Ryanair said that Liverpool is not the place for them at the moment? Can you post a link...?
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No problem. About half way through the article:
Ryanair set for major growth at Manchester Airport | Insider Media Ltd
No problem. About half way through the article:
Ryanair set for major growth at Manchester Airport | Insider Media Ltd
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I don't think Ryanair or Easyjet is the real issue
The issue is the lack of airline choice at Liverpool.
How popular was Shannon at Liverpool? If it was, perhaps 1 of the 4x Manchester Air Lingus services that are leaving to be replaced by the 1x larger Ryanair flight can potentially move to Liverpool
Theres various routes such as Gatwick which Manchester lost, Cardiff. Bournemouth etc that Liverpool could gain domestically
As for European perhaps Blue Air will add more destinations in the future
The issue is the lack of airline choice at Liverpool.
How popular was Shannon at Liverpool? If it was, perhaps 1 of the 4x Manchester Air Lingus services that are leaving to be replaced by the 1x larger Ryanair flight can potentially move to Liverpool
Theres various routes such as Gatwick which Manchester lost, Cardiff. Bournemouth etc that Liverpool could gain domestically
As for European perhaps Blue Air will add more destinations in the future