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It might only be applied at Heathrow (and maybe eventually at Gatwick),
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I don't put this idea forward as a way of redistributing traffic from LHR to regional airports. I agree with you that it wouldn't have that effect. However it might make some regional services viable when they otherwise wouldn't be.
However I do disagree with you on the slot value point. I think it would reduce slot values, thereby making it easier for there to be churn between carriers. Fare levels are basically set by the market, so the only factor that would change is route profitability and hence the slot value (based on the premise that slot values equate to the net present value of the economic rent).
As for Shed's excellent post, while I agree with him in pretty much every respect I think we should accept that there is zero chance of APD being abandoned, and that the industry's focus needs to be on a 'fairer' structure of APD which maintains revenue to the Treasury. And in any event the linkage of APD to the environmental costs of aviation is a fig leaf that was abandoned many years ago. It's really just another form of taxation.
As for the "linkage of APD to the environmental costs of aviation", that's never been the case, otherwise pax duty would be levied on sea journeys, such as ferries and cruise ships, etc., as well.
Open to legal challenge as you are then penalising a succesful market with a higher tax rate in order to favour a competitor.
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Do we have additional flights from Inverness ?
The airport twitterfeed are suggesting ...
RT @INVAirport: New flights from #InvernessAirport to @manairport mean shorter connections to places like Dubai, Orlando #moreholiday...
At least its on there which is of course excellent, BUT not sure as to what its actually referencing !
Are FlyBe increasing ...?
Meanwhile here is a shot of the rather impressive Manchester stand at World Routes Chicago
Ow.ly - image uploaded by @manairport (Manchester Airport)
Skippy
I did not mention or indeed intimate that
"they should really take your advice and fly all year round."
NOR could my "factual" observation on the start of NYC possibly be described as quote ...... "a rant" !
For any service to succeed however a May or June start date would seem reasonable as would offering a degree of loyalty to frequent flyers, especially business that wants to trade throughout the year, there has to be a degree of critical mass in terms of continuity of service, if the service offering becomes infrequent customers go elsewhere.
If you are going to comment on my rants (...sorry posts) please, lets stick to fact rather than fiction !
You do have a recurring habit of embroidering certain postings with your own interpretation and regurgitating them as facts leaving our limited readership with the impression that you are replying to something that was said when in fact it wasn't !
Perhaps some quality time praying for inspiration to the Patron Saint Of Analytics might be in order ?
The airport twitterfeed are suggesting ...
RT @INVAirport: New flights from #InvernessAirport to @manairport mean shorter connections to places like Dubai, Orlando #moreholiday...
At least its on there which is of course excellent, BUT not sure as to what its actually referencing !
Are FlyBe increasing ...?
Meanwhile here is a shot of the rather impressive Manchester stand at World Routes Chicago
Ow.ly - image uploaded by @manairport (Manchester Airport)
Skippy
I did not mention or indeed intimate that
"they should really take your advice and fly all year round."
NOR could my "factual" observation on the start of NYC possibly be described as quote ...... "a rant" !
For any service to succeed however a May or June start date would seem reasonable as would offering a degree of loyalty to frequent flyers, especially business that wants to trade throughout the year, there has to be a degree of critical mass in terms of continuity of service, if the service offering becomes infrequent customers go elsewhere.
If you are going to comment on my rants (...sorry posts) please, lets stick to fact rather than fiction !
You do have a recurring habit of embroidering certain postings with your own interpretation and regurgitating them as facts leaving our limited readership with the impression that you are replying to something that was said when in fact it wasn't !
Perhaps some quality time praying for inspiration to the Patron Saint Of Analytics might be in order ?
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Seems no-one has noticed that Eti had, until 30th September, is selling full first class fares on the EY21/22 flight.
It has also been reported First Class will also be available from February 2015 onwards if these initial trial flights prove successful. Initially on EY21/22 and then EY15/16 from March.
This is a very good sign that yield is picking up for Etihad enough to warrant the trial and then hopeful permanent implementation of First.
Also, both flights are now showing as B77W throughout the winter, previously showed A332 on the morning flight and B77W on afternoon flight.
It has also been reported First Class will also be available from February 2015 onwards if these initial trial flights prove successful. Initially on EY21/22 and then EY15/16 from March.
This is a very good sign that yield is picking up for Etihad enough to warrant the trial and then hopeful permanent implementation of First.
Also, both flights are now showing as B77W throughout the winter, previously showed A332 on the morning flight and B77W on afternoon flight.
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Bagso, nice picture of the stand at Chicago.
Can't believe you did not notice it is MAG's stand, not just Manchester...with a lovely picture of Big Ben, the London Eye and more references to Stansted than Manchester. Lights blue touch paper...stands clear...
Can't believe you did not notice it is MAG's stand, not just Manchester...with a lovely picture of Big Ben, the London Eye and more references to Stansted than Manchester. Lights blue touch paper...stands clear...
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apols Ringwayman.... good news of course
I had not seen any publicity from MAN (since then) so wasn't sure if it was same story!
"Staggeringly" that image IS actually Manchester Town Hall.
Do not mention The Big Wheel or else I will have to have a heart pill.....
I could not see the refs to STN on Manchester stand but has anyone else noticed they slide in a comment about STN every single time a new route from MAN is announced !
That "chip" is the size of a 5lb bag of King Edwards !
I had not seen any publicity from MAN (since then) so wasn't sure if it was same story!
"Staggeringly" that image IS actually Manchester Town Hall.
Do not mention The Big Wheel or else I will have to have a heart pill.....
I could not see the refs to STN on Manchester stand but has anyone else noticed they slide in a comment about STN every single time a new route from MAN is announced !
That "chip" is the size of a 5lb bag of King Edwards !
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@Bagso, you said :
You also said :
So I am confused. You are banging on (again) that the season isn't long enough in your view whereas Delta think they can make money in this seasonal window. I had assumed your mention of 365 days was suggestive that it should be year round. Perhaps you should read your own posts? #confused
The DELTA New York Service Ex LHR Starts March.
The DELTA New York Ex MAN starts July, that's nearer Christmas 2015!
Can somebody pls tell airlines we do actually trade 365 days a year in the North!
The DELTA New York Ex MAN starts July, that's nearer Christmas 2015!
Can somebody pls tell airlines we do actually trade 365 days a year in the North!
Skippy
I did not mention or indeed intimate that
"they should really take your advice and fly all year round."
I did not mention or indeed intimate that
"they should really take your advice and fly all year round."
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Air Canada have today confirmed YYZ-MAN will operate an extended season next year.
GDS showed an April 18th start and thus far, an Oct 27th finish, although year round (3pw winter) has been mooted).
GDS showed an April 18th start and thus far, an Oct 27th finish, although year round (3pw winter) has been mooted).
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Good to see Air Canada see potential in year round service !
Cuzzons also taking space in Airport City.
PZ Cussons in Airport City office deal - Manchester Evening News
Cuzzons also taking space in Airport City.
PZ Cussons in Airport City office deal - Manchester Evening News
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Straying off topic a bit, but looks like they messed up when estimating how big to build their HQ on the business park next to Regus. It's only been open about 3 years, but looks like they are overflowing to 4M!
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Air Canada have today confirmed YYZ-MAN will operate an extended season next year.
GDS showed an April 18th start and thus far, an Oct 27th finish, although year round (3pw winter) has been mooted).
GDS showed an April 18th start and thus far, an Oct 27th finish, although year round (3pw winter) has been mooted).
Good to see Air Canada see potential in year round service !
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To be fair to PZ Cussons, the space in 4M is only temporary.
There is a 3 year IT project ongoing to centralise much of PZ Cussons worldwide computer systems/processes (something like that) and bring it all the the HO here at the airport. The office in 4M is for, specifically, the team that is managing the project and, when complete, the office will probably become vacant aagain.
There is a 3 year IT project ongoing to centralise much of PZ Cussons worldwide computer systems/processes (something like that) and bring it all the the HO here at the airport. The office in 4M is for, specifically, the team that is managing the project and, when complete, the office will probably become vacant aagain.
I have asked AC Rouge about next year, so far they have been non commital (to me).
The ground handling at MAN was terrible this year, I don't think any were despatched on time. Check in & baggage issues.
Rouge 767s are deployed on Canadian sun routes to Carribean & Mexico in Winter, extremely unlikey to do any transatlantics - IMHO.
The ground handling at MAN was terrible this year, I don't think any were despatched on time. Check in & baggage issues.
Rouge 767s are deployed on Canadian sun routes to Carribean & Mexico in Winter, extremely unlikey to do any transatlantics - IMHO.
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Saudia now have periods of 4 weekly flights loaded on their website.
December 1 until January 5th sees a 4th weekly on Mondays.
The month of March sees a 4th weekly on Saturdays.
All extra flights are on B77L.
December 1 until January 5th sees a 4th weekly on Mondays.
The month of March sees a 4th weekly on Saturdays.
All extra flights are on B77L.
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I have asked AC Rouge about next year, so far they have been non commital (to me).
There are press releases out that state MAN (as well as other flights) will have an extended season next year.
Rouge 767s are deployed on Canadian sun routes to Carribean & Mexico in Winter, extremely unlikey to do any transatlantics - IMHO.
Dublin is already confirmed as a year round route from Toronto, so, I would guess they are not averse to winter Trans-Atlantic.
There are press releases out that state MAN (as well as other flights) will have an extended season next year.
Rouge 767s are deployed on Canadian sun routes to Carribean & Mexico in Winter, extremely unlikey to do any transatlantics - IMHO.
Dublin is already confirmed as a year round route from Toronto, so, I would guess they are not averse to winter Trans-Atlantic.
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They're giving DUB a go to try and hold market share as EI are also operating over the winter. The result will likely be losses for both. Given few people will be connecting with Rouge (I imagine given the product), point to point leisure to Canada in winter offers very lean pickings.
So is GDS showing "Air Canada" from March or "Rouge" or are we back pedaling to rely on PR blurb?
To be clear, SV will be using B777-200ERs and not LRs, "B77L" is also an internal Saudia code for their bog standard B772 fleet. #confusing
So is GDS showing "Air Canada" from March or "Rouge" or are we back pedaling to rely on PR blurb?
To be clear, SV will be using B777-200ERs and not LRs, "B77L" is also an internal Saudia code for their bog standard B772 fleet. #confusing
