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Antek wrote: "Does anybody know where to find details of surface transport at Modlin, particularly trains..."
DaveReidUK wrote: "Transport from Modlin airport in Nowy Dwór Mazowiecki will look more or less like this...."
I just flew to and from Modlin airport on Wizzair last week, and the shuttle/train was very easy. At Modlin you get on the shuttle bus which takes you in 8 minutes to the Modlin train station. There you catch the direct train which goes to all Warsaw stations (Wschodnia, Centralna, etc.). The train ride takes about 48 minutes. You can check train times on the Polish rail site: http://rozklad-pkp.pl/bin/query.exe/en?ld=s4&OK#focus
The combined ticket shuttle+train costs 12 PLN on the shuttle. If you book a Wizzair flight you can pre-book the combined ticket for 5 Euros. There are also various options at Modlin airport for a bus to Warsaw for 33 PLN, and taxis, etc.
DaveReidUK wrote: "Transport from Modlin airport in Nowy Dwór Mazowiecki will look more or less like this...."
I just flew to and from Modlin airport on Wizzair last week, and the shuttle/train was very easy. At Modlin you get on the shuttle bus which takes you in 8 minutes to the Modlin train station. There you catch the direct train which goes to all Warsaw stations (Wschodnia, Centralna, etc.). The train ride takes about 48 minutes. You can check train times on the Polish rail site: http://rozklad-pkp.pl/bin/query.exe/en?ld=s4&OK#focus
The combined ticket shuttle+train costs 12 PLN on the shuttle. If you book a Wizzair flight you can pre-book the combined ticket for 5 Euros. There are also various options at Modlin airport for a bus to Warsaw for 33 PLN, and taxis, etc.
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It didn't take long. First diversions happened this morning (W6 and FR) to WAW. W6 first wave departures delayed as well earlier for RVR/300 as there's no LVP available.
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Just returned from a great trip to Podlasie in Poland via Modlin. Only let down was the appalling airport. The Schengen departure gate is tiny with approx. 25 seats for what could be 189 passengers. Then 15 minutes before boarding and before the plane has even touched down, passengers are led out to a "holding pen" area and have to stand to wait there in the cold. I don't expect luxury padded seats or wall-to-wall cafes but I've been in much smaller airports that are infinitely more hospitable.
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Sheep worshipping at altars? Much too much metaphor-mixing for one day 
Two things happen to sheep at the altar: they get their throats slit and then they get burnt.
Note: Any parellels to the situation at Modlin are, of course, entirely accidental.
Two things happen to sheep at the altar: they get their throats slit and then they get burnt.Note: Any parellels to the situation at Modlin are, of course, entirely accidental.
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15+ flights diverted to WAW this week (WZZ and RYR). Some of them in 2-4000 m visibility for low ceiling. Lots of departure delays for low RVR & no LVP available. The CAT I. ILS promised to be operational in "october-november" (followed by CAT II. " in february-march") is eventually not even installed yet. Latest rumors says installation will start at the end of november which means that only non-precision approach will be available until (at least) the end of the year. 
If it goes on like this they will loose both airlines using WMI, I quess.
If it goes on like this they will loose both airlines using WMI, I quess.
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@LTNman.
What actually are you pertaining to? I have never been to Modlin and live far from both UK and Poland, but still find your post slightly offensive. Indeed, Modlin Airport did get € 17m grant contributed from EU funds through the Regional Operating Programme (source), just a small slice of it originating from Britain.
My opinion? Pretty reasonable amount of money very well spent. The bigger sums of EU tax payers' money paid for constructing some idle airports in Spain (just to give an example), could be mentioned as a far less successful investment.
What actually are you pertaining to? I have never been to Modlin and live far from both UK and Poland, but still find your post slightly offensive. Indeed, Modlin Airport did get € 17m grant contributed from EU funds through the Regional Operating Programme (source), just a small slice of it originating from Britain.
My opinion? Pretty reasonable amount of money very well spent. The bigger sums of EU tax payers' money paid for constructing some idle airports in Spain (just to give an example), could be mentioned as a far less successful investment.
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Much of Poland’s recent infrastructure is being paid for by EU handouts. No
doubt in part this airport has been paid for by British tax payers.
At least it's used to supply Britain with baby sitters, bricklayers, plumbers and secretaries.
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Have to say after the "fun" I've had in Poland this week including WMI, which I have a 0% success rate at landing at, I have to say it is about time the Poles stopped building their flashy new glass terminals and got their actual flying infrastructure sorted out. i.e. a few CAT 2/3 ILS systems on more than one end of the runway and resurface some of the ploughed fields they describe as runways.
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CheekyVisual - there is a complex reasoning behind it - lets just say some allegedly believe that certain airports having certain infrastructure does not allegedly suit the interest of certain parties.
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And there was me thinking that I was the only one with a 0% success rate of landing at WMI. Polish routes and winter do not make for a nice days work. It's long overdue for the installation of a a few cat 111 ILS systems at Polish airports.
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The most succesful day brought 19 diversions (practically the whole traffic of the day) for "low" ceiling (with 1000+ visibility) - or at least I counted that much. I'm not a big fan of FR but it was painful to see 11 diversions, even ferry flights (WRO-WMI & WAW-WMI) of previously diverted aircraft diverted again to WAW...
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The good thing about FR is rather than cancel flights, they try and operate them from other airports, and generally they'll always divert to the nearest airport pretty much all of the time as long as it's open.
Other, especially traditional carriers will just cancel the return flight if the outbound flight gets diverted to another airport or refuse to land anywhere other than a destination that is normally served by the airline.
As stated previously in another thread, it's pretty sensible for Wizz to move and they did the right thing, as pretty much all aircraft running routes from WMI are based there meaning one delay heavily hits the rest of the schedule at WMi as such plane is going to have to operate to a few destinations a day.
With FR with all the flights coming from other bases, they've been able to allow extra crews to pick up the later parts of some shifts rather than the originally scheduled crew that is being heavily delayed.
Other, especially traditional carriers will just cancel the return flight if the outbound flight gets diverted to another airport or refuse to land anywhere other than a destination that is normally served by the airline.
As stated previously in another thread, it's pretty sensible for Wizz to move and they did the right thing, as pretty much all aircraft running routes from WMI are based there meaning one delay heavily hits the rest of the schedule at WMi as such plane is going to have to operate to a few destinations a day.
With FR with all the flights coming from other bases, they've been able to allow extra crews to pick up the later parts of some shifts rather than the originally scheduled crew that is being heavily delayed.
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Beuvais is being hit by a strike which has forced a number of cancellations.
The problems at Modlin at the moment are snow related which is being cleared from the runway but is quite heavy apparently. There are also (again) problems with WAW who are saying they can take very few diversions at the moment.
Wizz and FR have had such problems ever since the start of the winter with WAW being less than accommodating for diverted flights even though that airport is nowhere near full and has plenty of extra capacity even after W6 have moved there.
It's likely that there could be some diversions to Lodz this afternoon, however due to weather conditions road transport is said to be taking much longer so I would not be surprised if there were some cancellations later.
The problems at Modlin at the moment are snow related which is being cleared from the runway but is quite heavy apparently. There are also (again) problems with WAW who are saying they can take very few diversions at the moment.
Wizz and FR have had such problems ever since the start of the winter with WAW being less than accommodating for diverted flights even though that airport is nowhere near full and has plenty of extra capacity even after W6 have moved there.
It's likely that there could be some diversions to Lodz this afternoon, however due to weather conditions road transport is said to be taking much longer so I would not be surprised if there were some cancellations later.
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There was no significant snow today in Warsaw, only -SN for 20-30 mins in the afternoon. All diverted FR flights approached WMI and went around at DH for low ceiling before proceeding to WAW/LCJ.
Regarding WAW refusing diversions: not a single Wizz flight was refused by them despite on some days 10-12 flights were operated from Okecie.
Regarding WAW refusing diversions: not a single Wizz flight was refused by them despite on some days 10-12 flights were operated from Okecie.
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There was not snow for that long but snow there was that effected the area, although Chopin got off better than Modlin when it comes to this.
I know for a fact that Wizz had some flights that were not permitted to either operate from WAW or land there (which were cancelled) and Ryanair certainly have had the same which has meant they've gone to Lodz although I'd expect WAW to be more accommodating of Wizz because they stand a chance of winning their custom when Ryanair would never go back there having been absent for many years.
On a completely unrelated topic, the ILS debate indeed is a big debate there right now, but for Modlin to ever fulfill it's potential and to stop problems like this in the future, I strongly believe that it needs to have independent ownership.
Some would say the lack of ILS at Modlin suits some people down to the ground, after all there are certain people who would lose out if the airport ran 100% smoothly. There are two obvious parties, which I won't name.
I know for a fact that Wizz had some flights that were not permitted to either operate from WAW or land there (which were cancelled) and Ryanair certainly have had the same which has meant they've gone to Lodz although I'd expect WAW to be more accommodating of Wizz because they stand a chance of winning their custom when Ryanair would never go back there having been absent for many years.
On a completely unrelated topic, the ILS debate indeed is a big debate there right now, but for Modlin to ever fulfill it's potential and to stop problems like this in the future, I strongly believe that it needs to have independent ownership.
Some would say the lack of ILS at Modlin suits some people down to the ground, after all there are certain people who would lose out if the airport ran 100% smoothly. There are two obvious parties, which I won't name.
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