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While I see your point, the question really is if it would be worth the effort - how many additional visitors would it generate? The Scillies are not exactly an international tourism hotspot as - I suppose - most visitors are originationg from the British Isles. Not sure if it requires a code-share for them to put the islands on their radars.
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Whats the problem with a GLA NQY route? Seems to habe hadva chequered history now nothing? Too long a sector and not the right aircraft? Would have thought a three times a week BE/LC would have sufficied. Its a v long trek by any other mode.
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The GLA route worked quite well when SZ ran the route because it went via PLH and with navy personnel boosting the numbers.
If and when BE make NQY a base I can see 3 weekly GLA and EDI and extra frequencies to NCL & Belfast.
Until then, Loganair have their aircraft pretty well tied up so its a case of routing via MAN and possibly BHX on BE.
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If and when BE make NQY a base I can see 3 weekly GLA and EDI and extra frequencies to NCL & Belfast.
Until then, Loganair have their aircraft pretty well tied up so its a case of routing via MAN and possibly BHX on BE.
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Looks like EK A330-213 A6-EAD is heading for NQY as EK3001, currently 9,000ft descending over Liskeard ex DXB if FR24 is to be believed.
Anyone know why ?
MX or storage or scrap ?
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Anyone know why ?
MX or storage or scrap ?
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Well if they are getting 3 into NQY it's surely good for NQY, apple and Cornwall as a county as this is real money coming into the area and real jobs being supported !
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Wishful thinking
Newquay Cornwall Airport passenger numbers below predictions - BBC News
Passenger numbers at an airport branded a "white elephant" by critics are less than a quarter of those originally predicted, it has emerged.
Newquay Cornwall Airport sees 220,000 passengers per year, compared to forecasts of more than one million.
Critics of the council-owned airport say it is not "economically viable" and will always need its multi-million pound subsidy from Cornwall Council.
The authority said it is committed to supporting the airport.
A 'masterplan' produced in in 2009 forecast 1.01m passengers by 2015-16.
But less than 220,000 passengers used the airport in 2014, according to Civil Aviation Authority figures, with about 40,000 recorded in the first three months of 2015.
Bob Egerton, an independent member of Cornwall Council, said forecasts of more than one million passengers per year were "wishful thinking".
He said: "People got carried away with the glamour associated with having an airport. I do not believe it will ever be economically viable. I think we are stuck with it as a white elephant."
Mr Egerton said the forecasts were "a fantasy figure" and unsuccessful routes were "quietly dropped".
The council's company, Cornwall Airport Limited, receives an annual subsidy - £2.3m for 2014-15.
Adam Paynter, Cornwall Council cabinet member for resources, defended the subsidy and said the airport brought £48m annually to the Cornish economy.
He said: "Soon after the publication of the previous masterplan the recession hit aviation very hard and the industry experienced its worst ever decline with a number of airlines going bankrupt or closing."
Mr Paynter said the airport, at the heart of the Newquay Enterprise Zone, is "redefining its business model, reducing costs and successfully growing other income streams".
The council is now producing a new masterplan which forecasts 473,000 yearly passengers by 2030.
Passenger numbers at an airport branded a "white elephant" by critics are less than a quarter of those originally predicted, it has emerged.
Newquay Cornwall Airport sees 220,000 passengers per year, compared to forecasts of more than one million.
Critics of the council-owned airport say it is not "economically viable" and will always need its multi-million pound subsidy from Cornwall Council.
The authority said it is committed to supporting the airport.
A 'masterplan' produced in in 2009 forecast 1.01m passengers by 2015-16.
But less than 220,000 passengers used the airport in 2014, according to Civil Aviation Authority figures, with about 40,000 recorded in the first three months of 2015.
Bob Egerton, an independent member of Cornwall Council, said forecasts of more than one million passengers per year were "wishful thinking".
He said: "People got carried away with the glamour associated with having an airport. I do not believe it will ever be economically viable. I think we are stuck with it as a white elephant."
Mr Egerton said the forecasts were "a fantasy figure" and unsuccessful routes were "quietly dropped".
The council's company, Cornwall Airport Limited, receives an annual subsidy - £2.3m for 2014-15.
Adam Paynter, Cornwall Council cabinet member for resources, defended the subsidy and said the airport brought £48m annually to the Cornish economy.
He said: "Soon after the publication of the previous masterplan the recession hit aviation very hard and the industry experienced its worst ever decline with a number of airlines going bankrupt or closing."
Mr Paynter said the airport, at the heart of the Newquay Enterprise Zone, is "redefining its business model, reducing costs and successfully growing other income streams".
The council is now producing a new masterplan which forecasts 473,000 yearly passengers by 2030.
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Ten years ago I handed the Council an A4 sheet of paper which was more accurate than their expensive masterplan, it had many of the ideas they have taken up as suggestions written on it - parting out - training school etc.
Now we have masterplan mk2, more realistic perhaps but just confirmation the original was not fit for purpose.
Newquay is a small regional airport with a limited catchment area that will only ever in the near future attract a limited audience, until that is accepted money will continue to be poured down the drain.
You do not need a multi million pound masterplan to work that out or a huge fancy terminal full of expensive staff to operate a handful of flights.
Now we have masterplan mk2, more realistic perhaps but just confirmation the original was not fit for purpose.
Newquay is a small regional airport with a limited catchment area that will only ever in the near future attract a limited audience, until that is accepted money will continue to be poured down the drain.
You do not need a multi million pound masterplan to work that out or a huge fancy terminal full of expensive staff to operate a handful of flights.
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Totally agree with mr hog as above.
CCC and NQY needs to focus on what NQY can do well, which at the end of the day involves a large runway and quiet airspace.
training flights
maintenance/tear downs
military ops
The commercial passenger movements are limited, however I still feel not fully exploited by the current operators, however this summer has seen a better program operated by flybe.
BHX, MAN and STN are all showing good numbers, June will soon be releasd, however sooner or later MAN will surpass 5,000 passengers per month which is very good for a 10 weekly service.
However, is the market really not able to sustain a proper twice daily MAN and a year round BHX ? with the new EK codeshares on the BE services to LGW, MAN and BHX lets hope that the numbers continue to rise.
However, connections to places like NCL etc are still bad and even dire during the winter.
DUB looks to be performing well so fingers crossed this returns next year, this would be a great addition if the flights could be daily and timed to allow connections via the EI longhaul network at DUB.
Lets get decent domestic and Euro connectivity back at NQY and concentrate on the additional income that the airfield can generate as a result.
on a positive, the EK codeshares start tomorrow, the new Bristow hangar is plodding on nicely and apple aviation seem to be busy
has the airport found a new tenant for hangar 404 since CAF moved out ? that ex nimrod hangar is huge and would prove a brilliant facility to another aircraft mx provider or even a facility for something like mail or a parcel or freight company ?
Anyway, as I say, agree with above, but at least things are now moving in the right direction now, lets just hope that things continue to grow.
cs
CCC and NQY needs to focus on what NQY can do well, which at the end of the day involves a large runway and quiet airspace.
training flights
maintenance/tear downs
military ops
The commercial passenger movements are limited, however I still feel not fully exploited by the current operators, however this summer has seen a better program operated by flybe.
BHX, MAN and STN are all showing good numbers, June will soon be releasd, however sooner or later MAN will surpass 5,000 passengers per month which is very good for a 10 weekly service.
However, is the market really not able to sustain a proper twice daily MAN and a year round BHX ? with the new EK codeshares on the BE services to LGW, MAN and BHX lets hope that the numbers continue to rise.
However, connections to places like NCL etc are still bad and even dire during the winter.
DUB looks to be performing well so fingers crossed this returns next year, this would be a great addition if the flights could be daily and timed to allow connections via the EI longhaul network at DUB.
Lets get decent domestic and Euro connectivity back at NQY and concentrate on the additional income that the airfield can generate as a result.
on a positive, the EK codeshares start tomorrow, the new Bristow hangar is plodding on nicely and apple aviation seem to be busy
has the airport found a new tenant for hangar 404 since CAF moved out ? that ex nimrod hangar is huge and would prove a brilliant facility to another aircraft mx provider or even a facility for something like mail or a parcel or freight company ?
Anyway, as I say, agree with above, but at least things are now moving in the right direction now, lets just hope that things continue to grow.
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Connections
I do not see why the BHX route could not be 2 x daily year round.
Flybe operate multiple flights from BHX to GLA, EDI and BHD. Aberdeen is also 3/4 daily.
Connections could be offered via BHX to all these destinations morning and evening.
This has worked before at Exeter where connections were offered via BHX to these destinations until Exeter was able to sustain it own direct flights.
Just an idea.
Centre cities
Flybe operate multiple flights from BHX to GLA, EDI and BHD. Aberdeen is also 3/4 daily.
Connections could be offered via BHX to all these destinations morning and evening.
This has worked before at Exeter where connections were offered via BHX to these destinations until Exeter was able to sustain it own direct flights.
Just an idea.
Centre cities
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Iv thought all along that twice daily MAN & BHX would be the way forward with early ex NQY flights to both and late evening returns to capture both day return business trippers and connections.
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