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Old 2nd Sep 2014, 09:57
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And they keep on growing...

Aer Lingus Regional adds service to Leeds Bradford
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New DUB-LBA route

Great news! But surely Liverpool will be the next route to appear?
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Old 2nd Sep 2014, 18:06
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Beat me to it Mlinnie, I seriously thought they would do LPL-SNN after FR dropping it, or indeed DUB. It all smacks of retaliation, they will hit FR on LBA.
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Old 2nd Sep 2014, 19:48
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Aer Lingus

Hope to see them certainly on the LPL - Dublin route, given that F R has manipulated capacity of late to a position lower than historic norms. Shannon would be a bonus, following its recent transfer to MAN which in turn drove EI off the route.
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Exactly eye2eye5, I think the whole reason they are launching LBA is because FR are launching MAN-SNN, retaliation. Also a stab at SNN by removing an a/c.
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Old 3rd Sep 2014, 21:56
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Great news for EI Regional to be constantly expanding. It'll be interesting to see how many more new routes (if any) will be announced by Stobart Air for the Summer 2015 season under EI Regional or Flybe.
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Old 3rd Sep 2014, 22:31
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Will we see an AT7 of AerLingus picking up a rotation on BRU DUB when FR enter the market just as is the case on DUB BHX and MAN to compliment the 320 services? But the 319 could be the correct vehicle here ...
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Old 3rd Sep 2014, 22:38
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If MAN is a runner LPL, EMA have to be clear choices. FR had reduced ema dub before ... May be just right for frequent AT7 service ...
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I know DUB-BRU is technically possible in an ATR-72, but would it really be practical.

It would be nearly 2 1/2 hours, hardly comfortable in an ATR-72.

It would seem a sure fire way to encourage expense account travelers to give Ryanair a go.

If they were to use an ATR 72 to BRU, it might make more sense from ORK, where the A320 seems too big for the route and Ryanair don't compete.
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Thanks 840, would seem the 319's may be in order so!
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Just read that EIR have axed the MAN-SNN service from the end of October as FR have moved their LPL-SNN service to MAN. With FR trying to be more accommodating to business PAX hopefully FR don't start attacking ORK with the same mindset. The frequency that EIR are able to offer on routes by using ATRs is something I've become to love - much better than the days of a daily FR or mainline EI service.

Without the 3x daily to MAN-SNN, this could free up an A/C that will hopefully become ORK based.

When travelling to ORK on a weekly basis, I will generally fly in to ORK and home via DUB. Sadly as an airport ORK is too small to provide route frequencies to make the best use of my time. I travel between the airports with a one way car hire, which indeed can be costly not to mention fuel and tolls. The worst part of it is that it has to be the most mind numbing and boring journey I've ever done. Miles and miles of boring empty motorway. It drives me crazy. For a business pax, bus and train are not an alternative. A simple and effective air shuttle between ORK-DUB would be ideal - perhaps with a simple walk on fare also being available at the airports. The 42's are staying in the fleet for the foreseeable future. Personally, I'd move the SNN 42 to ORK to do a Early Morning & Early Evening ORK/DUB rotations. During the day, I reckon you could do two UK rotations perhaps make NCL daily, perhaps up MAN to 3x?
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Old 17th Sep 2014, 12:08
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Aer lingus management announced last week they will be launching a Birmingham and Manchester route in the near future from belfast
Does anyone if this will be done by mainline or regional?
I'm assuming it will be regional
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Old 17th Sep 2014, 12:41
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Forgot about that - that could be where the A/C goes.

It will be interesting to see what happens at Belfast with U2 and BE both providing some kind of service to MAN and BHX. Might BE give transfer their routes to EIR?
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Old 17th Sep 2014, 12:47
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I think more than likely ezy would drop the routes from belfast,
They couldn't really compete with the frequency EIR could offer
As well as that if would people the option of travelling with one airline and back with a other if it made the trio cheaper
Can't really do that at the moment as you would be going to a different airport

Many a time I flew to Bhx with flybe but back on bmibaby and vice versa as it worked out cheaper
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It would be interesting politics if EI via EIR set up in competition against BE. I don't see it happening personally.

EIR are also becoming short of A/C to cater for much more expansion. I think they will be taking their options up soon for some new '600s. They scraped through this summers schedule but had to rely on the wet leased DAT aircraft when BYO was scrapped. I can't imagine that Stobart will want to do that again unless it finds itself in another hole.

Although having said that, looking at the loads at SOU, they might have the '500s back sooner than expected!
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Old 17th Sep 2014, 13:43
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It is thought that an ATR42-500 was being sought for lease. However, with the capacity freed up by the demise of SNN-MAN, I believe this will no longer happen.
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I'd reckon they'll hang onto the 42-320's for as long as possible. To change to a 42-500 you will increase the lease cost, increase landing fees and increase fuel costs by about 10%. I guess it would depend if the maintenance costs outweigh these costs.

The 42-600's would cost too much to be worthwhile putting on routes the likes of KIR and BLK even if there is a reduced fuel burn.

I do see the need for Stobart to keep a few of these smaller aircraft. They provide the cheapest possible way to start a new route and can also make marginal routes profitable
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Old 17th Sep 2014, 14:45
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EIR fleet

8 new 600 s financed by EI with Stobart with 2 options, I can see these options being taken up for sure , ready for next summer,
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Old 17th Sep 2014, 18:00
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Aer lingus management announced last week they will be launching a Birmingham
and Manchester route in the near future from belfast
Not so much an announcement but rather stating that they were considering it? A brave move, but cannot see BE backing off here. Too core market for them and the frequency is big.

The point made here about Stobart Air competing with, this would be an interesting development. Lets see what easyJet have/ havent got instore for BFS to these respective destinations... But is it conceivable that 319 could be put on early and late MAN and Stobart do off peak rotations?

The upside here is that EI are looking to expanison in the market after what can only be described as a long road and they have made a significant investment in the Belfast market. Having tried a range of destinations ... and now focusing on what works...!
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Hopefully promotion of the Wild Atlantic Way combined with through ticketing from overseas airports to KIR and CFN should result in stronger performance of those routes next year.
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