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Old 10th Aug 2012, 20:49   #941 (permalink)
 
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Can't see Flybe giving up Gatwick

It's an established base, they have the code share with BA, their passengers are well used to the routes offered. Just because there is competition!!!!!

Giving all this up, just because EI have arrived at BHD is nonsense

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Old 11th Aug 2012, 00:47   #942 (permalink)
 
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I would bet the euro millions that flybe is not for competing against aer lingus

Also I have heard that since BFS is in talks with airlines since EI have gone, they are in talks to grab BE
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Old 11th Aug 2012, 06:20   #943 (permalink)
 
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But would BE go up to the land of EZY ? also be have replaced ulster bank branding at city. thats a lot of money to spemd
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Old 11th Aug 2012, 15:53   #944 (permalink)
 
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Now dog - do u really think BE have spemt big bucks on the ads, or been given them as a sop against what has happened [gatwick] (or what's to come?) by the ever bounteous hand of airport management???
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Old 11th Aug 2012, 19:29   #945 (permalink)
 
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or before it went green
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Old 11th Aug 2012, 20:25   #946 (permalink)
 
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BE BHD LGW

BHD LGW must be Flybe's busiest route in terms of passenger number and up there in terms of high frequency. The route carries in excess of 20K Pax per month. The connectivity with other carriers at LGW is significant. Interesting to note that when FR arrived and were carrying up to and over 30K pax some months on STN BHD, BE contined to grow the route in single digit % points. Not a bad achievement.

So if BE are giving up LGW (CANT SEE IT), due to EI arrival, the message is to EI, we cannot compete, so come into BHD and take over any route you want. BE will fight the fight on this route, to safeguard the rest of the BHD operation.

BE will give frequency and are very well established. EI will do ok numbers wise as it will be price driven. I would suggest that anything EI gain will be transfers from LHR and EZY from BFS, though EZY wont be shy about keeping the pressure on.

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Old 11th Aug 2012, 20:28   #947 (permalink)
 
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I had meant to also say, given that there are rumours about LCY and BE in the same statement, do we need to be wondering about Cityjet? Would this be an airline that BE would wish to purchase, assuming AF in the mood for selling and strategic options being assessed including 'sell'?
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Old 15th Aug 2012, 21:26   #948 (permalink)
 
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With the current rumours that BE management have been visiting BFS, could BHD really survive without them? Correct me if I'm wrong but i don't think EI and EIR have enough aircraft/ right size of aircraft to cover BEs network from Belfast
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Old 15th Aug 2012, 21:35   #949 (permalink)
 
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Flybe aren't moving to BFS i can confirm that , why would they even move to BFS as they have a big base at BHD. I cant say why they where in but they aren't moving anytime soon.

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Old 15th Aug 2012, 21:38   #950 (permalink)
 
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Well BFS BHD they weren't there for afternoon tea
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I can equally confirm that they are moving to BFS, but I can't say why. Does anyone believe me ?

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Old 15th Aug 2012, 21:42   #952 (permalink)
 
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They where in cause their doing the ski flights from BFS at the end of the year! likely to use their E195.

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Old 15th Aug 2012, 21:43   #953 (permalink)
 
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Agreed that EI/EIR probably wouldn't have enough aircraft or the right mix to take over all or most of BE's routes - however, what about BA or even BACF. Now that BA are at BHD, they are probably looking at developing their presence there - what better way to do that than maybe looking at key routes such as MAN, BHX and GLA, for instance.

All this is speculation anyway until Flybe make some announcement if it is their intention to move.
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Old 15th Aug 2012, 21:48   #954 (permalink)
 
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BFS BHD I'm not going to argue you clearly know all. But with the big plans that EI and EIR have for BHD some one has to lose, there isn't room for them both. I could be completely wrong but EI have obviously been enticed down by a good deal, a deal I recon that is far better than what BE have
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Old 16th Aug 2012, 12:48   #955 (permalink)
 
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Have a look at BE v EI LGW prices, for once BE seem to be up for the fight (based on random dates I looked at).
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Old 16th Aug 2012, 13:06   #956 (permalink)
 
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however, what about BA or even BACF. Now that BA are at BHD, they are probably looking at developing their presence there
ALLMCC; BA or indeed BACF are not given to any routes that dont start or end at one of 3 London Airports. (ok exclude franchise operators under BA unbrella).

Not core, too marginal, too risky and the domain of low cost airlines or Flybe who they have an interest in, albeit a small one that was incidental to them off loading BA Connect.

I would rule them out.
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Old 16th Aug 2012, 13:29   #957 (permalink)
 
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BA are at BHD, they are probably looking at developing their presence there - what better way to do that than maybe looking at key routes such as MAN, BHX and GLA, for instance.
Fundamentally wrong and against BA's stated aims and business model. There are three parts.
1) Feed long haul LHR from short haul
2) Maintain long haul LGW in profit and sort out short haul or close
3) Feed IB long haul at MAD from London

Regional point to point flying is most certainly NOT in there. BA CityFlyer is niche and point to point London focussed, and not part of mainline BA. Regional routes proved unsustainable and unprofitable for BA and were all closed less than five years ago in a sell off to flybe.
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Old 17th Aug 2012, 06:00   #958 (permalink)
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More than five years Showing your age Skipness! Where does the time go?

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Old 17th Aug 2012, 13:42   #959 (permalink)
 
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Anybody here know how bookings are looking on the BHX route for when they go head to head with EZY? Could we see them drop the route?
Has pax numbers drop on MAN since EZY started it aswell?
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Old 17th Aug 2012, 13:54   #960 (permalink)
 
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Drop the route?!?!?

So flybe would go from 7 flights a day each way to 0 because easyjet are offering 2? It's not long since Baby were doing it thrice a day also.

Maybe they'll down grade a few Embraers to Dashes for the winter schedule but that'll be all.

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