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What's attracting airlines to the city are the incentive packages being offered. £525k in the case of KLM, for a route that was already being operated from BFS. What's attracting FR, if that is where they end up, I don't know, or perhaps the INI, DUP, TI have come up with a support package for Mr A again.
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What's attracting airlines to the city are the incentive packages being offered. £525k in the case of KLM, for a route that was already being operated from BFS. What's attracting FR, if that is where they end up, I don't know, or perhaps the INI, DUP, TI have come up with a support package for Mr A again.
Typical DUP, putting their mate in to suit themselves in Holywood (Despite the fact that it is hugely benfecial to the RoI as a neighbouring nation.)
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That's incredibly disappointing! I don't understand what is attracting airlines to Belfast city? It is such a small airport and it is really quite far for some people in Northern Ireland.
2. Covenience for the population of south Antrim and Down, comprising > 50% of the population.
3. Lack of any apparent marketing effort, or sense of direction, at International.
4. A demographic that prefers frequency of business-orientated flights over low-cost ( and hence don't traipse down to Dublin ).
5. Various rumours about very aggressive and well-backed marketing at City ( see above ).
For the west and north of the province, Ryanair operate to Stansted from Derry. Makes sense to me that they'd want to put another London pipleline over at the populous and, yes, prosperous east coast.
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That would be a really sensible move.....so sensible in fact that it could possibly kill Flybe in Belfast if true. Maybe it is just posturing because BHD management AGAIN seem to be welcoming with open arms the heap of steaming poo that is Ryanair; to the potential cost of current business partners it must be added.
BE currently operate Glasgow, Edinburgh, Liverpool, Manchester, Newcastle and Birmingham from City; all of which are served by EZY from BFS. Have I missed any?
I hate flying on those noisey (inside) Dash-8's and have only used them in the past to avoid driving to BFS. If I had to travel to BFS to fly to any of the above destinations, I'd be climbing the steps onto a orange Airbus and not a purple "cardboard box with wings."
That last paragraph is somewhat tongue in cheek but also reflect's a lot of my non-aviation savy friends opinion's on turboprops.
A full quota of based Embraer's could however put the cat amongst the pigeons at BFS....
BE currently operate Glasgow, Edinburgh, Liverpool, Manchester, Newcastle and Birmingham from City; all of which are served by EZY from BFS. Have I missed any?
I hate flying on those noisey (inside) Dash-8's and have only used them in the past to avoid driving to BFS. If I had to travel to BFS to fly to any of the above destinations, I'd be climbing the steps onto a orange Airbus and not a purple "cardboard box with wings."
That last paragraph is somewhat tongue in cheek but also reflect's a lot of my non-aviation savy friends opinion's on turboprops.
A full quota of based Embraer's could however put the cat amongst the pigeons at BFS....
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I recall that Flybe got so far as to picking out space in the check in area......HOWEVER this was at least six years ago and subsequently they failed to move.
Groundhog Day.
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I will also count myself as amazed if Ryanair arrive back at Harbour. FlyBe going head to head with Easy at Aldergrove is only going to have one winner and I don't think you need to be a genius to work that one out! Big shiny jet versus constantly broken clockwork plane, give it a few months till passengers work it out themselves and its not going to end well.
I would be very sceptical in thinking Mr A has any massive pull with any airline, Ryanair or otherwise. Ryanair in particular are very shrewd operators and will go where the deal is right for them and pull out when it isn't, as Harbour well know!
It will be interesting to see how this develops, a LGW route isnt really going to harm anyone at Harbour, will Ryanair be content with one route though or will they step on a few toes as time goes on?
I would be very sceptical in thinking Mr A has any massive pull with any airline, Ryanair or otherwise. Ryanair in particular are very shrewd operators and will go where the deal is right for them and pull out when it isn't, as Harbour well know!
It will be interesting to see how this develops, a LGW route isnt really going to harm anyone at Harbour, will Ryanair be content with one route though or will they step on a few toes as time goes on?
Flybe did this once before when they took the huff with BHD management, and split their services between BHD and BFS. [I think it was when easyJet briefly operated from BHD, but I may be wrong and happy to stand corrected.] I can't see it working for them this time any better than it did last time.
Carry on replicating old ideas at this rate and they'll be flying Blackpool-Isle of Man-Belfast with a Shorts 360 again soon.
Carry on replicating old ideas at this rate and they'll be flying Blackpool-Isle of Man-Belfast with a Shorts 360 again soon.
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Flightrider, was that not a response from FlyBe to get rid of Air Belfast? I think it was the Stansted route that moved, once Air Belfast breathed their last then Flybe returned to Harbour.
The Easy move was when they had a spat with the last management at Aldergrove and the Luton moved for a season but returned when they got the deal they wanted. I believe they said at the time that the Luton wasn't making any profit at Harbour but I remember being told it was practically full every sector. Perhaps a bit of bluff and double bluff.
The Easy move was when they had a spat with the last management at Aldergrove and the Luton moved for a season but returned when they got the deal they wanted. I believe they said at the time that the Luton wasn't making any profit at Harbour but I remember being told it was practically full every sector. Perhaps a bit of bluff and double bluff.
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If FR did land back at BHD with 1 or more routes id say the airport would struggle unless there was serious expansion. I'm Sure they could create additional stands easily but the main terminal is bursting at peak times.
the check in hall has limited space
security search is tight for space as it is
the departure area has hardly enough seating as it is
FR flights bring big paxs numbers hence the attraction as these paxs will spend in the airport.
for sure i will fly with them whichever airport they fly from, if indeed they do return to Belfast. Im hoping for European flights. Fingers crossed, no more driving to Dublin to get to my usual destination currently not served directly from BHD or BFS.
the check in hall has limited space
security search is tight for space as it is
the departure area has hardly enough seating as it is
FR flights bring big paxs numbers hence the attraction as these paxs will spend in the airport.
for sure i will fly with them whichever airport they fly from, if indeed they do return to Belfast. Im hoping for European flights. Fingers crossed, no more driving to Dublin to get to my usual destination currently not served directly from BHD or BFS.
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Flybe negotiating with BFS is just another bargaining chip for dealing with BHD. BE would not work on comparable routes to easyJet ex BFS. Is FR considering major network ex BHD to rival BE, unlikely. FR coming into LGW or STN will impact BE least or any carrier on the London route. Me thinks this is unrelated.
Ryanair prefer BFS for operational reasons, earlier starts, longer days, higher aircraft utilisation, hence lower costs. FR do not care whether bhd is in the city or closer to the population etc. Price price price, cost, cost, cost... That's their game.
In relation to tourism Ireland, they could I guess support or subsidise new routes to new destinations like Germany etc. But unlikely to be the case for Gatwick etc.
Ryanair prefer BFS for operational reasons, earlier starts, longer days, higher aircraft utilisation, hence lower costs. FR do not care whether bhd is in the city or closer to the population etc. Price price price, cost, cost, cost... That's their game.
In relation to tourism Ireland, they could I guess support or subsidise new routes to new destinations like Germany etc. But unlikely to be the case for Gatwick etc.
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What if FR have attained a couple of slots at LGW, and they 'have' to use at least one at a Belfast airport. I don't think BFS is going to encourage a LGW/BFS operation for obvious reasons. So they start a one flight per day DUB/LGW/BHd for 3 years and withdraw with a golden slot to use elsewhere!!!
I cannot see BE operating their full program at BFS, maybe they could base a couple of aircraft at BFS to utilise their aircraft for a longer program each day. The last flight out of LCY to GLA is 20.30 45 mins after BHD. 45 mins later is very good for business day trips, give them another edge over BA.
I cannot see BE operating their full program at BFS, maybe they could base a couple of aircraft at BFS to utilise their aircraft for a longer program each day. The last flight out of LCY to GLA is 20.30 45 mins after BHD. 45 mins later is very good for business day trips, give them another edge over BA.
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Slight thread drift here, just curious if anyone has heard anything. Some time ago I was chatting to a controller from Harbour and he mentioned they were being contracted out, has this been done yet? Who provides air traffic at Harbour now?