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New York possible?
I have read this right havn't I? 
There are seriously people who think a speculative one rotation a day route arriving at nearly 6 in the evening has been launched to open up international connections
This thread is the most surreal thing I have read all year!
There are seriously people who think a speculative one rotation a day route arriving at nearly 6 in the evening has been launched to open up international connections
This thread is the most surreal thing I have read all year!
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Agree with River Joint on this.
For those of us who have to work for a living and fund the transatlantic flights (i.e. not cheapest economy tickets), the last thing we need is another link in the chain to go wrong. Many of us are connecting to other US airports to end up in out of the way places where businesses are located all over the USA. So the key factor is travel time, availability of connections, availiability of business services at airports etc.
It's not uncommon to rack up a 15-20 hour 'door to door' journey time each way. This generally has to be done at the beginning and end of a working week. No one in this position and in their right mind would add another night or additional connection to the equation.
When planning new USA routes and connections airlines don't even consider the economy revenue and everything is based upon premium traffic. I just can't see Aer Arran laying on flights in the morning specifically to feed into the transatlantic market from Dublin.
For those of us who have to work for a living and fund the transatlantic flights (i.e. not cheapest economy tickets), the last thing we need is another link in the chain to go wrong. Many of us are connecting to other US airports to end up in out of the way places where businesses are located all over the USA. So the key factor is travel time, availability of connections, availiability of business services at airports etc.
It's not uncommon to rack up a 15-20 hour 'door to door' journey time each way. This generally has to be done at the beginning and end of a working week. No one in this position and in their right mind would add another night or additional connection to the equation.
When planning new USA routes and connections airlines don't even consider the economy revenue and everything is based upon premium traffic. I just can't see Aer Arran laying on flights in the morning specifically to feed into the transatlantic market from Dublin.
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Great news about Aer Lingus.
What are the chances of a Belfast route say from Easyjet, FlyBe or Aer Lingus? The loads on the BE flights Belfast to Southampton route are always really healthy.
What are the chances of a Belfast route say from Easyjet, FlyBe or Aer Lingus? The loads on the BE flights Belfast to Southampton route are always really healthy.
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Yes because many people fly into Southampton as it is the cruise capital of northern Europe, to do business, attend the universities and take advantage of the unrivaled transport infrastructure.
Unfortunateky can't say the same for Bournemouth, well why would you fly to Bournemouth beach when you can fly to spain, France etc.
Unfortunateky can't say the same for Bournemouth, well why would you fly to Bournemouth beach when you can fly to spain, France etc.
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I think that bournemouth should now concentrate on keeping ryanair in for winter now, and once they get this. Get more routes, i feel easyjet would be a good area to start 
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Jet2 ran a daily service at between 50 and 75% load over the S04 season. They pulled off the route due to insufficient demand and intense competition from Flybe. But to go from a daily 737-300 with not ghastly load factors, to zero frequency I think was too extreme. I believe the route could work at 4x weekly with a 737 sized a/c or daily ex sat with a Dash 8-400 sized a/c.
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I never realised Jet2 used to operate. Very interesting indeed. Would BMI Baby be a realistic option with say a 737-500?
I fly to Southampton from Belfast City on FlyBe at least once a month to see family. The loads on the Flybe BHD to SOU flight always seem to be really healthy which is surprising considering the average fare single is about £80+ pounds, whereas the average fare single to Bristol on EZY is about £40 pounds.
FlyBe are x3 daily to Southampton from Belfast and x2 daily at the weekends. Surely, as you say, there is a market for at least a 4x weekly to Bournemouth from Belfast on a 737 or a A319?
It annoys me that if I want to go anywhere in the South West of England I have to pay FlyBe's, high and sometimes extortionate fares to Southampton. Bristol isn't a option as realistically it's 2 hours drive to the South Coast or a trek cross country on buses and trains.
I'm really glad Aer Lingus regional are beginning flights from Dublin and I really hope it's successful. Maybe with more daily flights and/or larger aircraft.
I fly to Southampton from Belfast City on FlyBe at least once a month to see family. The loads on the Flybe BHD to SOU flight always seem to be really healthy which is surprising considering the average fare single is about £80+ pounds, whereas the average fare single to Bristol on EZY is about £40 pounds.
FlyBe are x3 daily to Southampton from Belfast and x2 daily at the weekends. Surely, as you say, there is a market for at least a 4x weekly to Bournemouth from Belfast on a 737 or a A319?
It annoys me that if I want to go anywhere in the South West of England I have to pay FlyBe's, high and sometimes extortionate fares to Southampton. Bristol isn't a option as realistically it's 2 hours drive to the South Coast or a trek cross country on buses and trains.
I'm really glad Aer Lingus regional are beginning flights from Dublin and I really hope it's successful. Maybe with more daily flights and/or larger aircraft.
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New York
The option to transit to and from New York was only put forward as likelihood for some of the Bournemouth area residents who are time rich but cash poor and have an aversion to London airports. It was never suggested that these opportunist passengers would be other than a tiny minority on the route.
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Rivet Joint wrote
???????? Ryanair moved into BOH years ago. 16 destinations this summer.
Just need to keep them there for the 3 winter months.
EasyJet have the 8 x weekly from Geneva. It would be great if they would offer a few more routes all year round but at least for the moment they keep coming back every winter.
LT
The two big guns of Easyjet and Ryanair are free to move into Bournemouth when they want. Yet still they don't?
Just need to keep them there for the 3 winter months.
EasyJet have the 8 x weekly from Geneva. It would be great if they would offer a few more routes all year round but at least for the moment they keep coming back every winter.
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I still don't see why people keep referring to having based aircraft? If I could fly to 20 or 30 destinations from Bournemouth I'd be very happy. I don't care a jot where the aircraft are based. 'W' patterns are fine with me!
The 'advantage' to an airport of having based aircraft is that the airline is more committed to the airport. They begin to build up an infrastructure of crews, ground staff, management, offices, equipment, contracts, etc which make withdrawal more costly and therefore less likely.
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They begin to build up an infrastructure of crews, ground staff, management, offices, equipment, contracts, etc
All it would take for Ryanair to withdraw, and they threatened many times, would be for Servisair to start charging them the same price that they charge Thomson. With Servisair hemorrhaging money at Bournemouth, something has to give.
Stevie,
Whilst I am sure you are right, Ryanair play by their own rules. My comment was correct in relation to most airlines, although creating a 'base' is less and less important, as you imply.
Whilst I am sure you are right, Ryanair play by their own rules. My comment was correct in relation to most airlines, although creating a 'base' is less and less important, as you imply.
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Not aware of the contractual arrangements between Servisair & Ryanair at BOH but why would a handling agent feel obligated to keep charges low to keep an airline there??? They are not a charity, they are a business - and one which is losing cash as you suggest should do something about the situation pronto.
They should put the charges up to cover costs as a bare minimum. If the airline doesn't like it, then its for the airport to "sweeten the pill " I would suggest.....
They should put the charges up to cover costs as a bare minimum. If the airline doesn't like it, then its for the airport to "sweeten the pill " I would suggest.....
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I can't comment on why they let Ryanair walk over them, but they do. FR pay Servisair over three times less than Thomson do to handle an identical aircraft type at BOH. Servisair rely on auxiliary fees charged to Ryanair passengers at the airport (excess baggage etc), of which they receive a (small) cut.
