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Old 22nd Aug 2017, 19:03
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Would make better utilisation of the aircraft if Norweigan operated to Copenhagen .....lets hope
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Old 22nd Aug 2017, 19:23
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The current schedule would permit a x2-3 weekly year-round service and a x2 weekly summer seasonal service. I predict that if Norwegian do expand from BFS (which I believe is highly plausible), it'll be CPH plus a seasonal service to OSL/ARN.
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Old 22nd Aug 2017, 19:31
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That would be fantastic, it's about time we get a Scandinavian service.
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Old 22nd Aug 2017, 20:33
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True Blue,
I completely agree with many points, though volume has grown hugely in the intervening years, and generally many functions have been outsourced stripping huge cost out if the system... retail concessions pay eye watering rents generally, and charge above the odds..


Gazmo,
I recognise BFS have done a strong job on cross border marketing, though this in view hasnt drove the number, the currency has been a big part, and the increases were well underway before the branding of buses etc started taking place..equally DAA had a big dublin campaign in NI, I think that didnt cause cross border business going south ..

And as for Dublin having no competition is a red herring, Ryanair run the rule over all EU bases before granting another ac, though I agree the NI landscape is intense, currently much to BHD's challenge ..
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Old 22nd Aug 2017, 22:55
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Originally Posted by SecondDog
Shouldn't really be a surprise in August should it?


Supply and Demand is surely a fundamental economic principle?
No and yes. However an almost 75% increase in cost is taking liberties. Imagine the uproar if an enery supplier increased their prices by 75% over the winter due to 'supply and demand'.

I'm not complaining, I've used the airport more than enough (and got my money's worth) this year to write of the extra few quid to park in August. That said I feel for those people who save all year just to afford to get away once a year and then get whacked with an even higher cost for parking.
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Old 23rd Aug 2017, 00:17
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Originally Posted by EGAC is Better
No and yes. However an almost 75% increase in cost is taking liberties. Imagine the uproar if an enery supplier increased their prices by 75% over the winter due to 'supply and demand'.

I'm not complaining, I've used the airport more than enough (and got my money's worth) this year to write of the extra few quid to park in August. That said I feel for those people who save all year just to afford to get away once a year and then get whacked with an even higher cost for parking.
A 75pc raise is only transient though and likely to be a reaction to the car park being near capacity to try and calm demand so it will be unlucky to hit that tyoe of charge. The comparison to the energy market is futile because of the captive market that exists at BIA for parking. If there were other parking establishments nearby, the cost would be driven down by competition. Why do you think they worked so hard to shut down Karl et al. Same as the City and Boal.

As for the 'poor people saving up for their one holiday' I think they will likely have booked early and kept the price down. To cap it all off, parking charges at BIA are as nothing compared to rates across the water.


Swings and roundabouts.
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Old 23rd Aug 2017, 01:25
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What do you mean by "Poor"? There's a sort of Elite vibe on this forum and one would get the impression that members are traveling and living the life of glitz of glam. I'm not sure how true that is. (I'm sure travel costs are covered by management)

My family fits into the bracket of holidaying 1-2 times a year, but we usually go for a minimum of 3 weeks and spend £5-£12,000. I don't think we're poor at all.

The parking costs, well that's just Northern Irish stinginess.
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Old 23rd Aug 2017, 06:54
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What do you mean by "Poor"? There's a sort of Elite vibe on this forum and one would get the impression that members are traveling and living the life of glitz of glam. I'm not sure how true that is. (I'm sure travel costs are covered by management)

My family fits into the bracket of holidaying 1-2 times a year, but we usually go for a minimum of 3 weeks and spend £5-£12,000. I don't think we're poor at all.

The parking costs, well that's just Northern Irish stinginess.
Figure of speach Owen, not meant in any way as elitist. Bad choice of word. What I should have said was I symapthise with people who work hard to just about afford to take a holiday.

For context, my travel through Aldergrove this year has been 75/25 personal vs company paid. My total £'s spent on said personal travel is considerably less than your potential £5-12k. Whilst I have flown a lot its not exactly living the life of glitz and glamour, I've just taken advantage of low fares on a new route.

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Old 23rd Aug 2017, 07:11
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I remember maybe 20 years ago we paid £300 plus for a return ticket to London, unless you were staying a Saturday night. Even then it wasn't that cheap. Now I can get a return flight for £30-40.
Well yes if you're selective about what fares you pick and present then you can make any argument. You'll still spend £300 return to London if you need to travel urgently; ryanair.com wants £289 to fly to London this Friday and back on Saturday.

In the 1970s the Caledonian Moonjet overnight fare was £13 return for Belfast to London. BEA's overnight Vanguard seats were even cheaper, I believe.

Those weren't loss-leader or sale fares, they were printed in the timetables and available for every seat on every eligible flight. Where are the equivalent guaranteed bargain fares these days? Gone, 'revenue managed' out of existence in favour of a few cheap seats marketed heavily to those susceptible to advertising.

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Old 23rd Aug 2017, 07:45
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I am anything but susceptible to advertising. By the way, your £13 fare in 1975 would be £100 in 2016. Check on the Bank of England inflation calculator.
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Old 23rd Aug 2017, 09:58
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In the 1970s the Caledonian Moonjet overnight fare was £13 return for Belfast to London. BEA's overnight Vanguard seats were even cheaper, I believe.
Air fares were regulated and much more expensive in those days. Who in their right mind wanted to fly at those times anyway? No public transport at either end as well. Yield management drives the profits that are invested in the new equipment which opens new routes which drives the profits etc. Regulated air fares made sure the market was stagnant.
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Old 23rd Aug 2017, 10:48
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Your looking at about £85 on an average fair for a return journey to London these days.
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Old 23rd Aug 2017, 14:45
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Originally Posted by owenc
What do you mean by "Poor"? There's a sort of Elite vibe on this forum and one would get the impression that members are traveling and living the life of glitz of glam. I'm not sure how true that is. (I'm sure travel costs are covered by management)

My family fits into the bracket of holidaying 1-2 times a year, but we usually go for a minimum of 3 weeks and spend £5-£12,000. I don't think we're poor at all.

The parking costs, well that's just Northern Irish stinginess.
Poor as in unfortunate to have their one trip in the peak season.

As for posters trying to show how elite they are, telling us that you holiday in 3 week spells and spend up to 12k would put you squarely in the bracket you are admonishing. You'll forgive me if I ignore your criticism as a result.
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Old 24th Aug 2017, 02:13
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Thinly veiled "I am richer than you and don't insult the poor" post.

Really nothing to do with the topic at hand, and even so, taking the post at Owenc's interpretation, people of a lower income taking even a short trip to mainland UK probably wouldn't enjoy these car parking charges.

Also, I don't accept the argument of "We used to pay so much so we can't complain if we've to pay more now". It's insulting really to consumer rights and having progressive industries.
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Old 24th Aug 2017, 07:48
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more jobs for next year
Jet2.com recruiting for 50 positions at Belfast International Airport - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk
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Old 24th Aug 2017, 08:35
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This article refers to the addition of flights to Belfast from Birmingham and Stansted. Fact or badly written?
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Old 24th Aug 2017, 09:05
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I would suggest badly written especially when you read the Jet2 announcement on their website and compare
Jet2.com announces over 1,700 jobs | Jet2.com
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Old 24th Aug 2017, 21:45
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VNO is on sale up to Oct 18. Twice weekly still, but summer sees it change to M/F which should be better for weekend breaks.
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Old 24th Aug 2017, 23:38
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Originally Posted by mart901
VNO is on sale up to Oct 18. Twice weekly still, but summer sees it change to M/F which should be better for weekend breaks.
Vilnius was Monday/Friday this summer as well. I doubt that Wizz would increase the frequency on the route any time soon - upgrading to an A321 for the full summer season would be the next logical step. I do think however that the horrible flight times are hindering growth on the service.
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Old 26th Aug 2017, 01:37
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So is Katowice gone for Wizz Air or will it be Summer Only?
Will they stay to operate just to Vilnius?
Would they add another route?
Or could this be the end of them at BFS...?
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