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Old 18th Jan 2017, 02:40
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Aer Ryan, your comments regarding British (yes, British because Britain is more than England) routes being propped up by mainlanders are unfounded.

The majority of passengers on routes to Britain originate in Northern Ireland, not England. I fly myself, from Northern Ireland to Stansted and Gatwick at least once a month, every month, all year so I actually have personal experience.

The market from Northern Ireland is mostly home grown; inbound and outbound.

Shannon airport won't close down but the other poster is right. The airport is propped by a considerable minority of its passengers utilising TATL (24% in 2015). The airport is much smaller at 1.7 million passengers v 5.1 million at Belfast. Clearly, your comments about the two regions having similar markets are invalid. The two markets are not comparable in size

I don't see Delta coming either (why would they bother if United couldn't make a success of it) but I think you underestimate the Northern Irish market. Something which is easy to do as an outsider (with no experience of Northern Ireland) looking in.
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Old 18th Jan 2017, 08:53
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When have I compared Belfast and Shannon? I've stated several times you can't compare them. I realise you're busy with all the travelling you do Owenc but please read posts
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Old 18th Jan 2017, 08:56
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Originally Posted by A320.b744
My point is that we don't know the other two airlines that are considering starting Belfast flights, but given that there are only a limited number of airlines that could potentially fly the route - American, Delta, United, Norwegian, Aer Lingus, Virgin Atlantic - i.e. airlines that have either operated from US hubs to regional airports, or have started flights from regional airports to the US, then by process of elimination three of these airlines must be the airlines that are having talks with BFS management. Whether or not any of these talks amount to a route, only time will tell.



Well it's a good thing that I don't believe that BFS will continue to grow at the same rate as it did this year. I believe that, like most other airports, BFS will gain one or two routes every year, with a route being scrapped every now and again.



I don't understand why everyone thinks that Ryanair's success and potential expansion at BFS is hinged on basing a third aircraft. New routes can and have already come in the form of non-based aircraft, and given that the vast majority of destinations on people's 'wish lists' are Ryanair bases, I don't see why this should cause as much of an uproar as it does on this site.



I never said that Ryanair would expand from Belfast at a huge rate, or even expand at all; honestly I'm surprised that they opened so many routes within the first year of operations. I just made the point that there are several key destinations that do not yet have a direct Belfast service, and that there is the potential for Ryanair, as well as for all other airlines, to grow out of Belfast, just as there is room for them to grow out of all airports. I don't see anything wrong with thinking that there is room for growth.
This is a fairer outlook yes, but I don't see any US route coming anytime soon. You're right with there is only so many airlines that will fly these routes. It's also worth noting that Airports are always "in talks" with airlines, at least they should be. I can't see anything arising, as I've said alot of these airlines aren't in expansion mode.
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Old 18th Jan 2017, 12:45
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BHX

Just enquired from BFS if they knew anything about EZY route to BHX. Reply


"EasyJet are currently working outsome scheduling issues. We are hopeful that EasyJet will put this routeon sale very soon"


I suppose you could read anything into that response!!

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Old 18th Jan 2017, 20:43
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That's definitely nothing, Norwegian can't announce routes until after the inauguration of Donald trump, and a period of I think around 2 weeks has elapsed. He can still deny Norwegian the licence.
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Old 18th Jan 2017, 21:44
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Originally Posted by DC9_10
Canberra, it's a very dim witted reference to Graham Keddie, the MD of BFS as he is Scottish.
Am only on here and the mentality is of babies, can we talk about airlines and airports and not religion, i can hear enough of that in my wee country
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Old 18th Jan 2017, 21:53
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The BHX route is being loaded into the eJ timetable. That should keep the harpies paws off it.
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Old 18th Jan 2017, 22:10
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I certainly at this stage wouldn't discount Wow Air, they are ideally positioned in KEF to feed BFS traffic in to Canada and the US.

If there is to be something it will be a low cost play ....
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Old 18th Jan 2017, 22:38
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Whens BHX going to be bookable Husky One? Not showing for me anywhere.
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Old 18th Jan 2017, 22:51
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Refuellerman, no one mentioned religion. It was an imbecile making a reference very stupidly using the Mr Keddies nationality to berate him. Thankfully, the post has been removed.
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Old 18th Jan 2017, 23:02
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Originally Posted by DC9_10
Refuellerman, no one mentioned religion. It was an imbecile making a reference very stupidly using the Mr Keddies nationality to berate him. Thankfully, the post has been removed.
👍nice one👍👍👍
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Old 19th Jan 2017, 00:51
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Norwegian Air looking at taking on the Belfast to New York route - Belfast Live

Don't know if anyone seen this but makes interesting reading.
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Old 19th Jan 2017, 07:21
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Originally Posted by BFS BHD
Whens BHX going to be bookable Husky One? Not showing for me anywhere.
Bhx has been binned unconfirmed but the source couldnt be better
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Old 19th Jan 2017, 07:24
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It's possible I suppose. I don't know how Norwegian is supposed to be starting TATL from all these airports when they have a limited amount of aircraft.

Still Belfast's best chance for TATL.
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Old 19th Jan 2017, 12:03
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Bhx has been binned unconfirmed but the source couldnt be better
So are EasyJet down to four based aircraft or will there be a new route to replace Birmingham?
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Old 19th Jan 2017, 15:57
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Doubt your "source" isn't great guv!
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Old 19th Jan 2017, 17:04
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FR polish routes seem to be in the mid 70 per cent load factor, except Krakow. These routes seem to have been started in low season autumn/winter so would be expected to mature. Good figures for start ups. These figures are the same for EI peak season summer routes from BHD if talking about percentage load factor.EI having slightly less seats per sector. I would imagine that EIs offering will be further diluted as U2, LS, and FR compete and the travelling public mix and match fares and airlines to get the cheapest deal, putting pressure on EI yields and loads from BHDs stand alone operation. This is also not taking into consideration EI swapping slots with Shannnon meaning first EI departure from BHD will be 0845 am to LHR and the other two departures later in day within 20 minutes of BA. Personally, although I might be wrong, and feel free to discuss, I think EI are not committed to Belfast and will withdraw.

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Old 19th Jan 2017, 17:43
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Have to agree on one of your main points. Just booked flight from LHR to BHD in June arriving LHR at 6.10am, having to wait around until after 11am for flight to BHD and BA and EI departing within 15 mins of each other!! Think they could work together on their scheduling.........sorry maybe this should be on BHD thread
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Old 19th Jan 2017, 20:16
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Originally Posted by Cozy F
Doubt your "source" isn't great guv!
Wait and see guv!
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Old 20th Jan 2017, 12:38
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If Belfast could move fast enough to become the first UK airport to offer USA pre-clearance then they might be more attractive to fifth-freedom carriers ( like Ethiopian who use Dublin ) rather than trying to sustain a stand-alone transatlantic service. However it seems that Manchester is planning to be first in 2020...
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