Baby are bust, always have been bust, never made a profit! Jet2..profits year upon year, planned expansion etc = stable profitable company.
EMA has 3 a/c this year, 4 next. Who knows what else. Jet2 are not interested in LOCO short haul routes, therefore many of the unprofitable baby routes will be left to the likes of Flybe, oh and one aircraft from Monarch? whoooppy wooo.
Jet2 are expanding the Jet2 holiday business and the airline has become the servant of the holiday demands.
My sympathy goes out to those losing their jobs at Baby, I hope that Jet2 , Flybe and monarch can provide you and your families with some hope.
Jet2's expansion has been great for Ema starting with 9 flights a week on a single 757, 3/4 years on 4 a/c with i belive 43 flights a week? correct if im wrong Does anyone know what aircraft jet2 will base at ema S13 737-300 or a 737-800 Thanks.
This is a pure guess but I would expect it to be a 737-300. Jet2 at EMA is already 757 heavy compared to most other bases so an -800 is not needed for the range or extra seating capacity. -800s are still a small part of the Jet2 fleet and are therfore better utilised from the more northern and larger bases.
Jet2 profits in the first year - must have been some cost advantages given by the airport to help achieve such a thing, considering they only operated 1 flight a day on most occasions, which seems to have been a continuing trend.
2013 will see 2x B733 and 2x B752, according to their timetables, most actually perform 2 flights a day suprisingly, something we generally only saw at weekends last year in peak months this year.
I'm not sure why you have a downer on J2. After year 1 at EMA they doubled capacity, year 2 increased by 50%, year 3 by 33% and next year by 25%. Most of the aircraft are owned out right so its cheaper to leave them on the ground than fly them at a loss or just break even.
This allows J2 to offer great flight times as they dont need to fly 24 hrs a day. Neither pax or crew enjoy a night Dalaman. It also means that the aircraft are back at EMA by 01.00 at the latest (after the Sunday Pafos) which allows the engineers to carry out maintainance and gives flex in the programme before starting again in the morning at 0700.
Good deals on aircraft are hard to find and so are the right routes to put them on. Remember that J2 have 8 bases with expansion and new routes slowly happening at most of them. J2 took on about 150 new pilots in winter 2010/11 and about 100 this winter.
If you don't grow within your your means you'll end up like BMI, or Baby, or Eos, Silverjet, Zoom, Astraeus, Excell, etc.
Fair points, growth is too minimal when demand is available, maybe with baby leaving, growth will increase for them to become a dominant power at EMA, who knows, lets see what happens. I just believe they haven't fully exploited their operation and 'played it safe' because they were unsure on success.
What has to be remembered was that BMIBaby wasn't profitable. So many routes that were operated from EMA, BHX and BHD were not viable. Maybe EMA and the other UK bases should not expect all of the WW routes to be replaced? There were several reasons why BMIBaby lost money maybe wrong route choice was one of them? Steady growth and planned expansion is surely better than operating ill conceived, poorly supported routes makes a better business plan? Daza
How good were bmibaby loads? I just can't imagine that many people wanting to fly between EMA, LBA and EDI, for example that would warrant a 737. They had similar domestic routes to BE and they seemed to do well as they are often able to fill a dash or a 175 between, say EDI and NWI. I'm confident that BE will do well on the EMA-EDI route with a dash, but anything bigger than that, or even anything more than say 3 times a day will be pushing it, unless they can tap in to a market which WW were not able to.
TSR - yes, I stand corrected, no 738s in public service before 98. 734 would sound about right, either way, the flight was all but empty - it was December, and I don't think TK were pushing IST as a hub as much as they are now.
So back to Jet2 - surely they applied for the slots at IST before putting the route on sale. After all, if they weren't happy in their negotiations, they could have used SAW like other budget airlines, they didn't need to use IST for connectivity, even if it is a better airport for access to the city (imho).
They seem to have backtracked without even giving it a try.
As for WW v LS - I have no loyalty to either, but it was obvious which airline was making money and which one wasn't. BE have already picked up some of the EMA scraps, clearly there were some routes that were more suited to their business model, I don't really see BE and LS as major competitors.