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One at the moment - Thomson Cancun. Stops at Manchester outbound and as it is not listed on Thomson from Manchester I assume it is not picking up pax.
BHX-Vancouver weekly summer only (linking two Sikh expat destinations) is a possible route as is Vegas. I don't believe either would be possible direct at present although I agree three flights a week (Cancun, Vancouver, Vegas) is hardly a business case taken in isolation but who knows what the future holds especially looking East.
Full length use
The other environmental aspect is if the full length off 33 is used then the noise footprint over Birmingham will be reduced a little bit. I assume this will not be enforced by the lack of spin.
Planeaddict Viewing area - unless there is money in it then BHX won't be interested. It will have to be a private venture and that is a tough ask at present
San Francisco - No. Even if someone started it then it would not last beyond a season.
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One at the moment - Thomson Cancun. Stops at Manchester outbound and as it is not listed on Thomson from Manchester I assume it is not picking up pax.
BHX-Vancouver weekly summer only (linking two Sikh expat destinations) is a possible route as is Vegas. I don't believe either would be possible direct at present although I agree three flights a week (Cancun, Vancouver, Vegas) is hardly a business case taken in isolation but who knows what the future holds especially looking East.
Full length use
The other environmental aspect is if the full length off 33 is used then the noise footprint over Birmingham will be reduced a little bit. I assume this will not be enforced by the lack of spin.
Planeaddict Viewing area - unless there is money in it then BHX won't be interested. It will have to be a private venture and that is a tough ask at present
San Francisco - No. Even if someone started it then it would not last beyond a season.
Pete
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Absolutely agree with you, the runway extension will not pay back the investment in the short, or even the medium term, but equally it probably will pay back more quickly than it will do at Cardiff -which I seriously doubt will ever turn a profit without some pretty creative accounting (that is the runway extension, not the airport itself).
San Francisco is a complete no-no - you would have to assume that any destination westwards that MAN cannot make work, won't work from BHX either, so that leaves the least unlikely destinations as being New York, Chicago, Atlanta and Orlando - of those I can only see Chicago and Orlando as realistic possibles.
Looking East, and if Manchester cannot sustain direct services to Singapore and Hong Kong, how is BHX supposed to sustain Beijing or Shanghai?
I'm sure that on the ITX front, there will be benefits with direct services to Cuba, and more choice to the other Carribbean islands, and also to destinations like Goa. These alone won't pay for the runway!
What the runway will give is the chance for the airport sales team to market itself effectively to long haul carriers, which it could never do without it. How effective it (the sales team) will be remains to be seen.
Absolutely agree with you, the runway extension will not pay back the investment in the short, or even the medium term, but equally it probably will pay back more quickly than it will do at Cardiff -which I seriously doubt will ever turn a profit without some pretty creative accounting (that is the runway extension, not the airport itself).
San Francisco is a complete no-no - you would have to assume that any destination westwards that MAN cannot make work, won't work from BHX either, so that leaves the least unlikely destinations as being New York, Chicago, Atlanta and Orlando - of those I can only see Chicago and Orlando as realistic possibles.
Looking East, and if Manchester cannot sustain direct services to Singapore and Hong Kong, how is BHX supposed to sustain Beijing or Shanghai?
I'm sure that on the ITX front, there will be benefits with direct services to Cuba, and more choice to the other Carribbean islands, and also to destinations like Goa. These alone won't pay for the runway!
What the runway will give is the chance for the airport sales team to market itself effectively to long haul carriers, which it could never do without it. How effective it (the sales team) will be remains to be seen.
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The mentality seems to be "if it isn't happening today, it never will in the future". Surprising really considering the last 10 years the industry has been through and it's barely recognisable to how it looked 20 - 25 years ago.
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Was on the A45 today going past BHX around 10am where I couldn't help but notice the 747 parked up by the runway ( terminal side ). From what I could see it had " transcargo" on the side with a kind of Air France emblem on the tail.
Any idea why it was here? Is this normal?
Matt
Any idea why it was here? Is this normal?
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Ahhh thanks NJTCF!
Although its a great sight to see at BHX..... When is it due to be moved? It looks extremely out of place and looks like its just been " dumped " so to speak!
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Although its a great sight to see at BHX..... When is it due to be moved? It looks extremely out of place and looks like its just been " dumped " so to speak!
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Re OltonPete's comments
I'm exactly no expert in things like this, but I assume the noise print reduction (33 Depatrures) will be because the lengthened runway means that for a given take off mass the flights will be just that bit higher for a given path along the SID used. OK so far..
Now for the awkward bit and I may be on sticky ground here.
The devil is in the detail, and those with operational experience will say I'm grossly oversimplifying things no doubt.
The runway is being extended by 405 Metres to approx 3005 Metres in length plus an extra 150 metres starter run up, giving 3155 metres TORA ofI Rwy 33. I realise in expert's terms that this is imprecise because of Runway End Safety Areas, adjustments for slope and the geometry of the Aircraft turn on to the line up point etc. The actual detail of what's actually been done seems a vague.
And here in lies the problem, 33 I understand. But a lot of the time the reciprocal end will be used and although I have seen drawings where the threshold markings of the 33 End are displaced towards the extended part. the displacement is not as far as the physical extension of the runway - the starter bit being excluded. (I do know the difference between TORA,TODA and ASDA but not in enough detail for the experts ) Edit:I realise that the 33 threshold cannot be right at the end of the pavement
Does this mean that on days where the wind is from the south ? with sufficient speed say > 5 Knots, the full benefits of the Runway extension will not be available. So what we really have is a one way extension? and is this significant for the type of long haul services being described ?
Keeping the expectation within bounds
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Now for the awkward bit and I may be on sticky ground here.
The devil is in the detail, and those with operational experience will say I'm grossly oversimplifying things no doubt.
The runway is being extended by 405 Metres to approx 3005 Metres in length plus an extra 150 metres starter run up, giving 3155 metres TORA ofI Rwy 33. I realise in expert's terms that this is imprecise because of Runway End Safety Areas, adjustments for slope and the geometry of the Aircraft turn on to the line up point etc. The actual detail of what's actually been done seems a vague.
And here in lies the problem, 33 I understand. But a lot of the time the reciprocal end will be used and although I have seen drawings where the threshold markings of the 33 End are displaced towards the extended part. the displacement is not as far as the physical extension of the runway - the starter bit being excluded. (I do know the difference between TORA,TODA and ASDA but not in enough detail for the experts ) Edit:I realise that the 33 threshold cannot be right at the end of the pavement
Does this mean that on days where the wind is from the south ? with sufficient speed say > 5 Knots, the full benefits of the Runway extension will not be available. So what we really have is a one way extension? and is this significant for the type of long haul services being described ?
Keeping the expectation within bounds
CAT III
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RE: Thomson 13/14
Winter 2013/4 long-haul released and it is showing an increase.
Also could there be more to come with a new flight? I suspect a cruise flight will operate on the Friday or Saturday.
Also could there be more to come with a new flight? I suspect a cruise flight will operate on the Friday or Saturday.
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Lufti is being serious about BHX - on the weekend Lufthansa had an extra stall at the Xmas market where people could win all sorts of prizes for some challenges such as pronouncing long German words.
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Servisair Aspire Lounge
Has anybody tried this newly renovated lounge?
Understand that hot food is now available,although no choice.
Also the First Lounge now open at BHX.
The latter seem to offer "upgraded" facilities.Wonder if they have signed up any airlines.
Star Alliance use the Servisair lounge,apart from drinks and a few snacks they were pretty useless, but any updates on the revised lounge would be appreciated.
Understand that hot food is now available,although no choice.
Also the First Lounge now open at BHX.
The latter seem to offer "upgraded" facilities.Wonder if they have signed up any airlines.
Star Alliance use the Servisair lounge,apart from drinks and a few snacks they were pretty useless, but any updates on the revised lounge would be appreciated.
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Lufthansa to MUC
Surprised to see a rampacked LH 2509 last Friday.Even C class was full (4).
Considering Monarch has started this route,be interesting to see how long they will last.Apart from some tempting low fares, LH offers a superior service and decent schedules, and I reckon that Monarch will not last more than a season on this route.
Considering Monarch has started this route,be interesting to see how long they will last.Apart from some tempting low fares, LH offers a superior service and decent schedules, and I reckon that Monarch will not last more than a season on this route.
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The Monday MUC-BHX and Thursday evening/Friday BHX-MUC flights are usually very full - you'll find that it's easily 50% BMW employees on them who will have a firm contract with LH from MUC.
So whilst flights on those specific days may not be the best indicator to use, I do share the doubts around Monarch's future on this route. If they last into summer it may work - trouble is of course that the high-yield business will stick to LH for its far more attractive frequency of flights.
So whilst flights on those specific days may not be the best indicator to use, I do share the doubts around Monarch's future on this route. If they last into summer it may work - trouble is of course that the high-yield business will stick to LH for its far more attractive frequency of flights.
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Domestic stats
I seem to remember someone asking about domestic stats - Here are the April to September figures using the CAA passenger figures and the CAA punctuality stats showing the actual number of rotations - should be accurate. However load factors won't be so accurate as I have just estimated based on what I believe was scheduled. Jersey/Guernsey have been added together for averages/load factors.
April
Aberdeen------ 7554-----46 pax---59%
Belfast City---30161----69 pax---60%
Dundee--------- 1227----18 pax---53%
Derry-------------4723---131pax---73%
Edinburgh-----20562----76 pax--71%
Glasgow-------15515----54 pax--51%
Inverness-------2436----47 pax---60%
Isle of Man-----3581----38 pax--48%
Guernsey-------2202----
Jersey-----------4070----53 pax---68%
Newcastle-------953----11 pax---37%
May
Aberdeen------ 8451-----43 pax---55%
Belfast City---29507----63 pax---56%
Dundee--------- 1399----17 pax---50%
Derry-------------4573---135 pax---71%
Edinburgh-----25416----76 pax---69%
Glasgow-------19167----57 pax--53%
Inverness-------2781----48 pax---61%
Isle of Man-----3640----35 pax--45%
Guernsey-------2264----
Jersey-----------4309----44 pax---56%
Newcastle------1243----12 pax---40%
June
Aberdeen------ 7785-----43 pax---55%
Belfast City---26399----72 pax---62%
Dundee--------- 1385----20 pax---60%
Derry-------------4809---141 pax---75%
Edinburgh-----24925----80 pax---74%
Glasgow-------18264----57 pax--61%
Inverness-------3247----54 pax---69%
Isle of Man-----4582----45 pax--55%
Guernsey-------2615----
Jersey-----------5367----51 pax---66%
Newcastle-------953----10 pax---35%
July
Aberdeen------ 7883-----43 pax---55%
Belfast City---25789----76 pax---67%
Dundee--------- 1600----18 pax---54%
Derry-------------5358---149 pax---79%
Edinburgh-----25529----74 pax---68%
Glasgow-------18164----61 pax--62%
Inverness-------3345----56 pax---72%
Isle of Man-----4059----40 pax--52%
Guernsey-------2513----
Jersey-----------5281----49 pax---63%
Newcastle-------446----12 pax---43%
August
Aberdeen------ 7030-----45 pax---58%
Belfast City---27780----81 pax---71%
Dundee--------- 1694----19 pax---58%
Derry-------------5810---161 pax---85%
Edinburgh-----25158----81 pax---75%
Glasgow-------18547----59 pax--59%
Inverness-------3655----60 pax---77%
Isle of Man-----4020----48 pax--52%
Guernsey-------2615----
Jersey-----------5817----52 pax---67%
Newcastle-------nil----N/A pax---N/A%
September
Aberdeen------ 7534-----45 pax---58%
Belfast City---27436----79 pax---69%
Dundee--------- 1481----20 pax---59%
Derry-------------4618---136 pax---72%
Edinburgh-----24679----76 pax---70%
Glasgow-------19408----57 pax--56%
Inverness-------3235----57 pax---73%
Isle of Man-----3404----34 pax--44%
Guernsey-------2762----
Jersey-----------6187----59 pax---74%
Newcastle-------854----- 9 pax---29%
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April
Aberdeen------ 7554-----46 pax---59%
Belfast City---30161----69 pax---60%
Dundee--------- 1227----18 pax---53%
Derry-------------4723---131pax---73%
Edinburgh-----20562----76 pax--71%
Glasgow-------15515----54 pax--51%
Inverness-------2436----47 pax---60%
Isle of Man-----3581----38 pax--48%
Guernsey-------2202----
Jersey-----------4070----53 pax---68%
Newcastle-------953----11 pax---37%
May
Aberdeen------ 8451-----43 pax---55%
Belfast City---29507----63 pax---56%
Dundee--------- 1399----17 pax---50%
Derry-------------4573---135 pax---71%
Edinburgh-----25416----76 pax---69%
Glasgow-------19167----57 pax--53%
Inverness-------2781----48 pax---61%
Isle of Man-----3640----35 pax--45%
Guernsey-------2264----
Jersey-----------4309----44 pax---56%
Newcastle------1243----12 pax---40%
June
Aberdeen------ 7785-----43 pax---55%
Belfast City---26399----72 pax---62%
Dundee--------- 1385----20 pax---60%
Derry-------------4809---141 pax---75%
Edinburgh-----24925----80 pax---74%
Glasgow-------18264----57 pax--61%
Inverness-------3247----54 pax---69%
Isle of Man-----4582----45 pax--55%
Guernsey-------2615----
Jersey-----------5367----51 pax---66%
Newcastle-------953----10 pax---35%
July
Aberdeen------ 7883-----43 pax---55%
Belfast City---25789----76 pax---67%
Dundee--------- 1600----18 pax---54%
Derry-------------5358---149 pax---79%
Edinburgh-----25529----74 pax---68%
Glasgow-------18164----61 pax--62%
Inverness-------3345----56 pax---72%
Isle of Man-----4059----40 pax--52%
Guernsey-------2513----
Jersey-----------5281----49 pax---63%
Newcastle-------446----12 pax---43%
August
Aberdeen------ 7030-----45 pax---58%
Belfast City---27780----81 pax---71%
Dundee--------- 1694----19 pax---58%
Derry-------------5810---161 pax---85%
Edinburgh-----25158----81 pax---75%
Glasgow-------18547----59 pax--59%
Inverness-------3655----60 pax---77%
Isle of Man-----4020----48 pax--52%
Guernsey-------2615----
Jersey-----------5817----52 pax---67%
Newcastle-------nil----N/A pax---N/A%
September
Aberdeen------ 7534-----45 pax---58%
Belfast City---27436----79 pax---69%
Dundee--------- 1481----20 pax---59%
Derry-------------4618---136 pax---72%
Edinburgh-----24679----76 pax---70%
Glasgow-------19408----57 pax--56%
Inverness-------3235----57 pax---73%
Isle of Man-----3404----34 pax--44%
Guernsey-------2762----
Jersey-----------6187----59 pax---74%
Newcastle-------854----- 9 pax---29%
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Servisair Aspire Lounge
I was in the lounge on Saturday morning. The new offerings were small bacon rolls, very similar to the ones you get at BA lounges at LHR T5.
Overall the refurbished lounge is quite nice, especially the new entrance. Putting a low wall down the middle helps to break up the area.
Overall the refurbished lounge is quite nice, especially the new entrance. Putting a low wall down the middle helps to break up the area.
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Diverts From LTN/STN
EGBB Taking Divs from the above as both snow closed.
3 x Wizz A320s 2 x RYR 738s. 1 x EZY 319.
Least there are enough stands to put them.
In the end we took 5 x Wizz A320s 2 x RYR 738s. 1 x EZY319. 1 X Swiss 146.
3 x Wizz A320s 2 x RYR 738s. 1 x EZY 319.
Least there are enough stands to put them.
In the end we took 5 x Wizz A320s 2 x RYR 738s. 1 x EZY319. 1 X Swiss 146.
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Diverts
Perhaps a day of opportunity for BHX!
Again it has played a major role when snow hits the eastern side of the country and, of course, it again gives the opportunity for airlines to appreciate the facilities in Brum.
Secondly, for those incoming pax who are onward to London, they might realise that it is easier to transit by rail to London from Bhx than Luton, certainly, and Stansted, probably a more frequent service.
Also, it would be handy to see statistics which identify which airports in the UK are forced to divert incoming flights due to snow and which airports accept those diverts. Anyone know??
Again it has played a major role when snow hits the eastern side of the country and, of course, it again gives the opportunity for airlines to appreciate the facilities in Brum.
Secondly, for those incoming pax who are onward to London, they might realise that it is easier to transit by rail to London from Bhx than Luton, certainly, and Stansted, probably a more frequent service.
Also, it would be handy to see statistics which identify which airports in the UK are forced to divert incoming flights due to snow and which airports accept those diverts. Anyone know??
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Unfortunately not enough stands for the Singapore Airlines B777-300ER which had to divert to EMA !!!!!!!
Our 2 true widebodied remote stands capable, has Ryan Air park ups on them
Nigel
Unfortunately not enough stands for the Singapore Airlines B777-300ER which had to divert to EMA !!!!!!!
Our 2 true widebodied remote stands capable, has Ryan Air park ups on them
Nigel