BIRMINGHAM - 5
Perpignan
Flybe fly Birmingham-Perpignan on summer Saturdays. Ryanair plan to fly twice per week on Tuesday and Saturday - presumably also summer only. On Saturday the 2 airlines have flights barely 2 hours apart. Is there really sufficient demand for 2 airlines on the route at such similiar times on Saturday, or could it be that Ryanair are trying to push out a rival from the route ?
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In this instance I doubt it and I don't think I am nieve in saying that.
Both seem to do their own thing at BHX and I think the new Ryanair Bergamo service was more aimed more Monarch than flybe.
If they really wanted to hurt flybe they would have done double daily on EDI for a couple of seasons. Since Baby came off the route flybe has virtually doubled the fare on the first two departures ex BHX although fuel and APD has not helped in recent times. I still imagine this is a nice little earner but good for them if it helps the bottom line - the Spring Fair prices in early Feb on EDI-BHX-EDI are eye-watering.
Even with the French flights, PGF is the only one where they have got in each others way.
Other news - quite a few AF & LH A321's due over the next few weeks no doubt Spring Fair has influenced these upgrades.
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In this instance I doubt it and I don't think I am nieve in saying that.
Both seem to do their own thing at BHX and I think the new Ryanair Bergamo service was more aimed more Monarch than flybe.
If they really wanted to hurt flybe they would have done double daily on EDI for a couple of seasons. Since Baby came off the route flybe has virtually doubled the fare on the first two departures ex BHX although fuel and APD has not helped in recent times. I still imagine this is a nice little earner but good for them if it helps the bottom line - the Spring Fair prices in early Feb on EDI-BHX-EDI are eye-watering.
Even with the French flights, PGF is the only one where they have got in each others way.
Other news - quite a few AF & LH A321's due over the next few weeks no doubt Spring Fair has influenced these upgrades.
Pete
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If we take how AI did on the YYZ route in October 2008, they carried 2784 pax (I don't really know how this excel document works when it comes to the pax per flight and percentage). Meanwhile, the TS service in August this year (using this as an example) carried 2675 pax.
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Sorry don`t quite understand what you are saying?
How many flights a week did AI do in 2008 and does it incl transit pax or
are those BHX only ?
Chaps
How many flights a week did AI do in 2008 and does it incl transit pax or
are those BHX only ?
Chaps
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Planeaddict Re AI BHX YYZ
You just can't compare..AI carried mostly Sikhs to visit relatives in Canada with a fair few in Business Class.
Air Transat carries holiday makers on holiday charter flts in economy and a small premium economy cabin.
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You just can't compare..AI carried mostly Sikhs to visit relatives in Canada with a fair few in Business Class.
Air Transat carries holiday makers on holiday charter flts in economy and a small premium economy cabin.
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YYZ flts ex BHX
Hi guys,
Didn't PK operate flights to YYZ ex BHX before concentrating all it's trans-
Atlantic flights through MAN.
I'm also sure they operated to one other North American city as well but I can't
remember.Was it ORD?
I do know A310s were used and they didn't last long!:
Also I seem to remember UZB operating to JFK shortly before pulling out of BHX altogether and that was down to AI coming in.
So we went from 4 operators providing Trans-Atlantic flights to just 1.
How frustrating is that?
Didn't PK operate flights to YYZ ex BHX before concentrating all it's trans-
Atlantic flights through MAN.
I'm also sure they operated to one other North American city as well but I can't
remember.Was it ORD?
I do know A310s were used and they didn't last long!:
Also I seem to remember UZB operating to JFK shortly before pulling out of BHX altogether and that was down to AI coming in.
So we went from 4 operators providing Trans-Atlantic flights to just 1.
How frustrating is that?
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Planeaddict so you are saying they averaged about 50 pax a flight
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TSC did operate twice weekly for a time.A mix of TriStar and A310s were used on Tuesdays and Saturdays.I think 9/11 Was the main reason for the initial axing of the service.It was re- introduced round about 2006/7 if memory serves
But am happy to be corrected.
But am happy to be corrected.
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TSC did operate twice weekly for a time.A mix of TriStar and A310s were used on Tuesdays and Saturdays.I think 9/11 Was the main reason for the initial axing of the service.It was re- introduced round about 2006/7 if memory serves
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Re YYZ comparison,
sadly not any more, BHX is a pale shadow now of the barmy days.
We used to get 2 Wardair 747s Two Air Canada ( for a while a 747 and Tristar), and also a Worldways Tristar every week to Toronto !
I certainly hope that BHX marketing are working very hard to try and secure flights by AC low cost Rouge which start into the UK this summer.
Nigel
Re YYZ comparison,
sadly not any more, BHX is a pale shadow now of the barmy days.
We used to get 2 Wardair 747s Two Air Canada ( for a while a 747 and Tristar), and also a Worldways Tristar every week to Toronto !
I certainly hope that BHX marketing are working very hard to try and secure flights by AC low cost Rouge which start into the UK this summer.
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We used to get 2 Wardair 747s Two Air Canada ( for a while a 747 and Tristar), and also a Worldways Tristar every week to Toronto!
I certainly hope that BHX marketing are working very hard to try and secure flights by AC low cost Rouge which start into the UK this summer.
I certainly hope that BHX marketing are working very hard to try and secure flights by AC low cost Rouge which start into the UK this summer.
AC Rouge would be their ideal airline to use on a YYZ service, being leisure and low-cost. They are already starting flights to Edinburgh, Athens and Venice this year, so BHX looks better to be the next destination considering the lack of transatlantic services out of here. I hope that the marketing team are working on other services as well - and that we get some announcements soon about those already being discussed.
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Nigel. AC only ever operated the 767 and Tristar to BHX.
Planeaddict - Air Transat operate for Canadian Affair, for anyone else to operate they will need to find their own customer base. Do you not think that if there were that many people wanting to go to YYZ that someone else would be doing it? Thomas Cook didn't stick on the route as the 757 couldn't carry enough passengers to make it pay for them, so how do you think anyone else would make it viable? You can dream all you want about this airline or that starting services but until their research shows that there is a big enough market for them to come to BHX and make it pay they won't be coming.
Planeaddict - Air Transat operate for Canadian Affair, for anyone else to operate they will need to find their own customer base. Do you not think that if there were that many people wanting to go to YYZ that someone else would be doing it? Thomas Cook didn't stick on the route as the 757 couldn't carry enough passengers to make it pay for them, so how do you think anyone else would make it viable? You can dream all you want about this airline or that starting services but until their research shows that there is a big enough market for them to come to BHX and make it pay they won't be coming.
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planeaddict I have to say BHX is not likely for Rouge. It's not even on the radar, they'd restart MAN long before they look at BHX again.
EDI got Rouge for two reasons, over GLA where AC flew for 17 years and PIK where they flew for about 50. EDI gave them a great deal and Edinburgh has a relatively good inbound tourist market and a higher profile than Glasgow.
The reason BHX doesn't have a daily summer transatlantic service to Canada is the market is dying out, literally. This was all discussed and covered qiute recently surely? Did you read it, on the Birmingham - 5 thread *cough*
Worldways also had the smaller DC8 as well at BHX.
EDI got Rouge for two reasons, over GLA where AC flew for 17 years and PIK where they flew for about 50. EDI gave them a great deal and Edinburgh has a relatively good inbound tourist market and a higher profile than Glasgow.
The reason BHX doesn't have a daily summer transatlantic service to Canada is the market is dying out, literally. This was all discussed and covered qiute recently surely? Did you read it, on the Birmingham - 5 thread *cough*
Worldways also had the smaller DC8 as well at BHX.
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Round and round we go as there is simply nothing concrete to talk about long haul wise from BHX right now (or even in the near future despite the runway extension) so nostalgia and wishful thinking is all that's left......ONLY for sake of completeness, I am amazed that no one has mentioned that BA also used to fly BHX-YYZ (admittedly via JFK) on a 757 for at least a year if memory serves me right......along with Nationair and Canada 3000 at some point and Globespan to Toronto Hamilton.
The vast majority of AI and PK pax on BHX-YYZ were in transit, they used to pick up a handful of pax at BHX, normally single figure loads. PK in particular were only ever allocated one or maybe two check in desks for transit flights as there were so few BHX originating pax to check in.
The vast majority of AI and PK pax on BHX-YYZ were in transit, they used to pick up a handful of pax at BHX, normally single figure loads. PK in particular were only ever allocated one or maybe two check in desks for transit flights as there were so few BHX originating pax to check in.
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Per the OLT thread no more flights after midnight and BHX tomorrow evening is now listed as a Swiss A319.
Dresden and Munster OLT flights showing cancelled so it is not looking good.
The summer schedules have always shown Swiss RJ100 and Helvetic F100 operating the BHX flights.
Pete
Dresden and Munster OLT flights showing cancelled so it is not looking good.
The summer schedules have always shown Swiss RJ100 and Helvetic F100 operating the BHX flights.
Pete
