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Aer Lingus future
With IAG thwarting VS and buying BD and presumably having to withdraw from the EI codeshare to / from Belfast and Dublin, could EI make an appropriate (merger?) partner for Virgin? VS to take over all long haul with EI feed to their main hub at LHR from DUB, SNN, ORK & BFS and feeding into a secondary hub at DUB from all their European routes? All EI long haul destinations are well-establised VS destinations and thus could benefit from VS marketing power and VS has much more status as a long haul airline anyway.
It would be a bit of consolation prize for VS in contrast to BD but perhaps more feasible with the addition of Etihad financial muscle?
You wouldn't even have to have a merged brand I suspect.
It would be a bit of consolation prize for VS in contrast to BD but perhaps more feasible with the addition of Etihad financial muscle?
You wouldn't even have to have a merged brand I suspect.
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with the addition of Teahid financial muscle?
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jdcg EI long haul routes are a lot better established with the 44 million Irish Americans market than VS could ever hope for. Dropping that brand would be insane.
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presumably having to withdraw from the EI codeshare to / from Belfast and Dublin
They cooperated when they were on DUB LHR and they still cooperate today. If BA do opt to fly to Dublin or Belfast City post bmi, they still will probably have 4 or at most 5 rotations a day and EI in the case of DUB will have a lot more, hence potential to feed BA LHR network.
BA have axed LHRDUB in March 1991, and then in recent years axed LGWDUB and LCYDUB was abandoned mid season as it was a disaster. I cant see them touching DUB.
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Oh ok, I hadn't realised quite how strong a brand Aer Lingus might be in the States.
As to the EI codeshare on DUB / BFS, I'm only assuming they'd have to withdraw from it out of competition concerns as with the purchase of BD they'd have a total monopoly on Belfast / Dublin to LHR flights - which surely would draw the attention of the regulators. I'm sure they don't want to withdraw.
As to the EI codeshare on DUB / BFS, I'm only assuming they'd have to withdraw from it out of competition concerns as with the purchase of BD they'd have a total monopoly on Belfast / Dublin to LHR flights - which surely would draw the attention of the regulators. I'm sure they don't want to withdraw.
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I'm only assuming they'd have to withdraw from it out of competition concerns as with the purchase of BD they'd have a total monopoly on Belfast / Dublin to LHR flights - which surely would draw the attention of the regulators
jdcg EI long haul routes are a lot better established with the 44 million Irish Americans market than VS could ever hope for. Dropping that brand would be insane.
EI Longhaul in 2011 will carry way less than 1 million passengers so even taking a 50-50 split between Irish originating passengers and US ones they are carrying 1% of the supposed Irish Americans or roughly 9,000 a week.
In 2010 2.5 Million passengers used LHR-JFK and I don't see BA boasting of it.
Aer Lingus in the US is an Airline with services to Ireland and anybody relying on anything more than that.
If there was a brand that strong then Conti and others would struggle to get a look in.
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Racedo, you have been quiet since your prediction that Aer Lingus would run out of cash suffered a hull loss.
41 million US citizens claim their primary ethnicity is Irish. US census 2000.
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October Passengers
EI 907,000 passengers down 0.1%
EI Regional 69,000 passengers up 30%
Together passengers up 1.6% over October 2010
Short Haul - 831,000 passengers - no change
Lond Haul - 76,000 passengers - down 1.3
LF increased by 2.1% to 78.5%
Short Haul - increased to 81% - capacity increased by 0.8%
Long Haul - increased to 73.5% - capacity decreased by 3.9%
EI Regional 69,000 passengers up 30%
Together passengers up 1.6% over October 2010
Short Haul - 831,000 passengers - no change
Lond Haul - 76,000 passengers - down 1.3
LF increased by 2.1% to 78.5%
Short Haul - increased to 81% - capacity increased by 0.8%
Long Haul - increased to 73.5% - capacity decreased by 3.9%
Racedo, you have been quiet since your prediction that Aer Lingus would run out of cash suffered a hull loss.
Perhaps you should read their own financial statements to find out where all the money has gone.
Bases and routes opened and cancelled, staff taxes paid for them, massive redundancies, losses paid for by using up shareholders cash etc etc... Goodbye half a billion.
And for what ?
How much has actually being spent building something ?
How many new as distinct from pre owned aircraft have they used to build the business ?
Aer Lingus has made up strategy after strategy and all of them have left them in a worse position than before.
As for the US market, whether its 40, 60 or 100 million people, the facts remain that less than half a million people use them from the US across the Atlantic each year so the idea that Virgin buying them would destroy something is kinda laughable.
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Reports else where that EI are looking at resuming flights to Toronto. Odd choise as TS and AC operate it seasonaly.
Don't see it myself but anyone else heard anything.
Does anybody know if there are plans to have any new short haul routes next summer.
Don't see it myself but anyone else heard anything.
Does anybody know if there are plans to have any new short haul routes next summer.
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Did they ever fly to Toronto?
I thought Montreal was the only destination they had ever served.
Where it might make sense is if combined with a US West Coast route so that they would be less restricted by aircraft type and load. But they're not going to pick up many passengers in Toronto and with the competitition to Toronto, it will be challenging for the Dublin-Toronto part, so it would seem a strange choice.
In some ways, if returning to Canada, Montreal might make more sense.
I thought Montreal was the only destination they had ever served.
Where it might make sense is if combined with a US West Coast route so that they would be less restricted by aircraft type and load. But they're not going to pick up many passengers in Toronto and with the competitition to Toronto, it will be challenging for the Dublin-Toronto part, so it would seem a strange choice.
In some ways, if returning to Canada, Montreal might make more sense.
Ryanair are trying to call an EGM of Aer Lingus shareholders. Aer Lingus are turning the request down. It's descended into each side releasing to public view the letters they are sending each other as to why an EGM should or shouldn't be granted. Is this just a case of MOL tryi.g to cause trouble or is there some motion that could reasonably be addressed and that would have a non trivial impact ? If anyone is familiar with Irish company law, would be interested to hear their opinion as to the whole episode
Ryanair are trying to call an EGM of Aer Lingus shareholders. Aer Lingus are turning the request down. It's descended into each side releasing to public view the letters they are sending each other as to why an EGM should or shouldn't be granted. Is this just a case of MOL tryi.g to cause trouble or is there some motion that could reasonably be addressed and that would have a non trivial impact ? If anyone is familiar with Irish company law, would be interested to hear their opinion as to the whole episode
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