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Old 12th Feb 2011, 13:05
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FR in talks with AENA to open a base at PMI with 3 a/c from end of March
Ryanair negocia con AENA abrir en marzo una base permanente en Son Sant Joan » Local » Noticias » Ultima Hora Mallorca
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Old 12th Feb 2011, 15:22
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negotiating with AENA to open a permanent base at Palma airport by the end of March.
To open a base on such a short notice? It would be extremely short indeed even when it relates to Ryanair.
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Old 12th Feb 2011, 16:28
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To open a base on such a short notice? It would be extremely short indeed even when it relates to Ryanair.
It may not have been FR that has been doing the courting here as no doubt the airport authorities see what is likely to happen in the summer.
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Old 12th Feb 2011, 18:58
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Looks as if the FR idea is to copy the Air Berlin hub system at PMI with flights from other Spanish airports to feed into PMI and then on to German and possibly English cities ......
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Old 12th Feb 2011, 20:38
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Looks as if the FR idea is to copy the Air Berlin hub system at PMI with flights from other Spanish airports to feed into PMI and then on to German and possibly English cities.
No, I don't think so. Ryanair never did anything at all to facilitate transfers from one flight to another, unfortunately. Long ago I've lost my faith to see Ryanair starting connecting flights, they prefer rather selling cheap tickets and flying with unsatisfactory load factors on some routes while the connecting flights could do very much to improve the profitability.

In some cases just better thought schedules could do the trick without any official connecting flights, as FR don't bother to sell them. Say, on Mo and Wed morning from Northern A-airport to a centrally located B-airport and in the evening from there to the Southern European C-airport. Then on Tu, Thu the same flights, but originating in the morning in C, arriving to A in the evening. Totally unofficially, with no hazard to the carrier, without a common ticket. Many pax would decide to make such a combination at their own risk. But no, the present schedules are (on purpose?) constructed as if to prevent people from doing so. Losing many potential pax... why?
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Old 13th Feb 2011, 08:23
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The Super complaint launched by Which will if upheld have a massive impact on all budget airlines, for those that haven't seen the press basically Which are saying that charging Credit and debit card fee's per person per sector is plain wrong and does not reflect the airlines cost of proccesing credit card.

MOL second in charge ( MOL wannabe) defended the charge saying that it also reflected the costs of the website search engine and IT support!! What utter bollocks that's like paying for clothes at Marks and Spencer and getting hit for a credit card charge or each item to pay for the shop window FFS!!

In some strange Irish logic they would sell the shirt for £1:99 but you'd still end up paying £22:00

At long last consumer protection is catching up with the budget airlines and not before time, I have posted on Ryanair thread because by and large they are the worse and the others tend to follow where Ryanair tread, it is now a requirement to show the ticket price including taxes and airport charges at the first point of sale. No doubt the usual suspect will be on in minutes supporting FR action and pointing out that things are free with Electron, that will be the next investigation or part of the CC issue, the issue here is what's in it for FR?

If you manage to persuade a million people to put £200 on an Electron card that pays no interest you have £200 million on which you pay no interest, that would by a few boeings, not that there is any link of course.
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Old 13th Feb 2011, 08:34
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INKJET; I have to say that I completely agree with. The 'credit card charges' are in no way a reflection of the actual charges that the airline incurs when they accept credit cards as method of payment.

A company like Ryanair on most cards excl Amex(which they wont accept) would incur a very small percentage in fees owing to their scale and clout, I would guesstimate 1.2%-1.5% tops.

I'm all for a level playing field and more transparency will lead airlines like Ryanair to publish a fare that reflects the complete cost of carrying a passenger from A to B, and not just Ryanair but any airline for that matter.

Yes and there are a few who will dive in and give the reasons and the Ryanair position to death. It's irrelevant whether they allow Electron (previously) or Prepaid mastercard now as no fee route. These card providers charge a fee too to Ryanair and allowing 1 card with no fee effectively allows Ryanair to say the charges are actually optional, which is such a fudge.

I have prepaid mastercard which i load up when i think I will want to fly Ryanair, and it takes a few days to transfer funds from my bank account online, so its all not worth the hassle. I try not to use them these days as much as possible.
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Old 13th Feb 2011, 08:50
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If you manage to persuade a million people to put £200 on an Electron card that pays no interest you have £200 million on which you pay no interest, that would by a few boeings, not that there is any link of course.
Aside from FACT that FR haven't accepted as a free card for well over a year and secondly IF you have an Electron card that is with a BANK where you can spend the money where you like.

But please do tell how an airline gets a benefit from someone in Germany having an electron card with a German bank and who has have never flown Ryanair..........this should be interesting.
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Old 13th Feb 2011, 09:27
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Little surprise that you pop up to defend the indefensible

Ryanair method of operation is past its zenith, the market is no longer growing, other have reduce their bloated cost base and customer retention will play a growing part in future.

Why a safe profitable company needs to behave in this way is beyond me
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Old 13th Feb 2011, 09:51
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Simple answer

If RyanAir and others are forced to scrap the CC charge (which I have no problem with) because I use a INSTANT bank transfer to my pre-payed master card which takes seconds to transfer money. RyanAir could simply stop the CC charge and start charging a seat charge £10 per seat £20 per exit row, this will not cover the total amount lost throught the CC charge but will cover a large amount of the lost money. I understand that the free seating rule that RyanAir use is to get people to the gate way before the Aircraft gets to the gate but this in itself may help with making more money as more people may miss the flight and would have to pay for a new flight if they are not at the gate on time.
We all need to remember that all Airlines are there to make money.
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Old 13th Feb 2011, 10:47
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If we assume 70 million people were paying 5 euros per head, that comes to 350 million euros per year. Yes, that allows 2.7 million sectors in 2010 to have been paid for from a fee-free payment method.

Yes, an "exit row seating" charge might bring in some revenue, but it's not going to be enough to cover all that money from card charges.

Anyone want to come up with other credible wheezes as to how FR might replace this income ? Will we see a return of the "Dream up charges as to how we can abuse you, and win a cash prize" competition ?
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Old 13th Feb 2011, 11:04
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Im not saying just and exit row seat charge im saying £10 per seat and £20 per Exit seat. or the could just add a fuel payment to the ticket price.
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Old 13th Feb 2011, 11:23
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daz - any sort of surcharges are a possibility (I'm sure some PR bod can find a way to get round the previous 'Ryanair will never have fuel surcharges' claim)

However, the charges need to be "optional" or at least sufficiently optional that the airline can claim they can be avoided without ending up in court on the grounds of false advertising

Possible ideas include
1 - Surcharge for hand luggage above a certain size. Thus allow people to take a *very* small personal bag weighing up to (e.g.) 1 kg, and charge above this. Of course, the hand lugage charge has to be smaller than for checking luggage into the hold.
2 - Happy hour - an additional charge which is lifted only at certain times of the day. Thus, if you want to book at 8 pm, you pay extra. If you're prepared to book at 4 am, it's cheaper
3 - Something like Spirit's "convenience fee". If you go to an office at the airport to make a booking and wait in a long line, there is no fee. If you want to pay online, there is a fee. Given that many FR airports are in out of the way places, the cost and hassle of going out to the airport usually outweighs the fee.
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Old 13th Feb 2011, 12:17
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Bet most womens handbags weigh over 1KG lol!

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Old 13th Feb 2011, 12:19
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This is all so funny to read!

Why the need to create all these hidden fees with clauses which are very clearly extra revenue to the airline.

What was ever wrong with the thing called the FARE, which covered the necesary.

People talk about business models maturing etc - but at the same time surely the general public are maturing or "wising up" to the fact that flying from London to Dublin costs more than 9.99. While one or two may have flown for this price, by only taking one pair of underpants in a see through plastic bag and paying by the nominated card that banks issue to 16 year olds, it does not mean that is what the ACTUAL seat/cost/sector is. Someone, somewhere ends up covering the ACTUAL cost.

I for one full support airlines charging a fair fare, and only charging extra for the truly optional extras.
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Little surprise that you pop up to defend the indefensible

Ryanair method of operation is past its zenith, the market is no longer growing, other have reduce their bloated cost base and customer retention will play a growing part in future.

Why a safe profitable company needs to behave in this way is beyond me
Why not answer the questions raised as to How as the alledged poster claims that Ryanair benefits from money in someone elses bank.
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I for one full support airlines charging a fair fare, and only charging extra for the truly optional extras.
Oh you mean like BA adding on more Fuel surcharges.
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Old 13th Feb 2011, 15:21
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I have prepaid mastercard which i load up when i think I will want to fly Ryanair, and it takes a few days to transfer funds from my bank account online, so its all not worth the hassle.
I'd get yourself a better card , mine transfers instantly .
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Old 13th Feb 2011, 18:05
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My understanding was that with BA the fuel surcharge is already included in the quoted price on their website.
I think most passngers now know that when they book with a cheap airline they'll have to run the gauntlet of add-on fees for baggage, insurance etc if they so wish. But what's really annoying is to go through all that and then find that you are charged way over the odds for paying by credit card and especially debit card. Even worse with Ryanair is that you pay per passenger, not per transaction, which is just completely dishonest in my view. Also, to theoretically charge you for online check-in is just insolent. Those charges pop-up when you're booking straightaway so why bother getting people's backs up - just include it in the initial price. It's been a pain in the neck having to sort out an Electron card and then a Mastercard prepaid, but they're not that difficult to sort out. If they just charged a fair price for a normal card I would use that every time, even if FR made, say, 50p profit per transaction on it anyway. The reality is though that they want to make more profit from it and so we all end up feeling abused and the likes of "Which" get involved.
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I've seem a few TV interviews with MOL. He has 2 mantras, which he quoted incessantly. 1. RYR has the lowest ticket price. 2. RYR has no fuel surcharge. When asked why RYR had increased its add-ons by between 350-600% in the passed 6 years he repeated the above mantras. He claimed that everything was an optional extra. When asked about the airport check-in fee on the internet as being mandatory he claimed that it was not a surprise as the pax was made aware of it befoe buying. It didn't answer the question as to why it was not included in the ticket price. The same with the 'insurance & wheel chair levy'. They should be plain & simple. If the lowest ticket price is the holy grail then these extras will remain. What pax do not seem to understand that the 'fare' might not always be the cheapest option. Often I find that a major carrier is similar priced, considering a realistic baggage load, and often at more convenient times. I'm amazed at the prices ez & FR charge nearer the date or as the a/c fills up. I also amazed at the last booking pax are paying these prices. The majors are often cheaper in the same circumstances. Surely the LoCo's will need to change. The competition is hotting up.
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