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If you take it seriously then you are clearly not knowing how the company works. Once again, as with the other proposals in the past, they come up with some ingenious idea that generates free publicity despite not having a strand of chance of happening. The fact everyone is publishing it again gives O'Leary just what he wants.
they come up with some ingenious idea that generates free publicity despite not having a strand of chance of happening.
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As most aircraft accidents have a strong element of pilot error it follows that getting rid of the pilots will improve safety. It is also the case in rail accidents and all car crashes. It is human errors that cause crashes. Just look at the safety record where there are driverless trains. Case proved. RYR are right to campaign to eliminate pilots
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Get real
Pilotless aircraft? – of course. It’s the future of air warfare.
Pilotless airliners? – never.
The R&D would be immense and take years – who would pay for it? Not the airlines.
The certification process would be a thousand times more rigorous than for piloted aircraft and take years – who would pay for it? Not the airlines.
Who would be the first airline to operate a pilotless aircraft and what would be their selling point?
If a pilotless airline operated a route in competition with conventional aircraft, who would fly them? Would you?
And all for what? ‘Pilotless’ aircraft still need pilots, they just happen to be sitting on the ground. Savings would amount to some hotel expenses and other allowances.
Pilotless airliners? – never.
The R&D would be immense and take years – who would pay for it? Not the airlines.
The certification process would be a thousand times more rigorous than for piloted aircraft and take years – who would pay for it? Not the airlines.
Who would be the first airline to operate a pilotless aircraft and what would be their selling point?
If a pilotless airline operated a route in competition with conventional aircraft, who would fly them? Would you?
And all for what? ‘Pilotless’ aircraft still need pilots, they just happen to be sitting on the ground. Savings would amount to some hotel expenses and other allowances.
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Regarding the COMAC C919 looking more and more likely this will be the future.
The SEP manual has been rewritten and is about to go live this month. It changes completely making it a generic manual with one chapter related to the 737-800 - like a lot of airlines. This means the possibility of a different aircraft type is a lot closer...
The SEP manual has been rewritten and is about to go live this month. It changes completely making it a generic manual with one chapter related to the 737-800 - like a lot of airlines. This means the possibility of a different aircraft type is a lot closer...
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pilotless nonsense
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and how many malfunctions of aircraft systems have not ended up in desaster because of pilot´s proficiency? Errors happen - however they are weighed up by the chance of having someone with a human brain at the sharp end to solve a situation a computer is not able to fix!
As most aircraft accidents have a strong element of pilot error it follows that getting rid of the pilots will improve safety. ... It is human errors that cause crashes. Just look at the safety record where there are driverless trains. Case proved. RYR are right to campaign to eliminate pilots
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s most aircraft accidents have a strong element of pilot error it follows that getting rid of the pilots will improve safety. ... It is human errors that cause crashes. Just look at the safety record where there are driverless trains. Case proved. RYR are right to campaign to eliminate pilots
I have no wish to travel in an aircraft that doesn't have people flying it that will get to the scene of the accident with me if things go wrong.
To go from 2 pilots on virtually all passenger aircraft to none in one step is likely to be far too big a jump for many people.
Perhaps a more modest move on a future aircraft designed with this in mind to one of primary pilot, plus a secondary pilot who spends part of their time (i.e. busier or higher risk stages such as takeoff + landing or where quick diversion to safety is more difficult) in the pointy end, and the remainder of their time in the passenger cabin helping the rest of the cabin crew might be slightly more acceptable ? There will of course be numerous challenges in making this both viable and safe, but it should be achievable
Despite what MOL may say, Ryanair are aware that for the public to accept new ideas takes time and cajoling. Pilotless commercial passenger planes are not going to be accepted for a long time.
Perhaps a more modest move on a future aircraft designed with this in mind to one of primary pilot, plus a secondary pilot who spends part of their time (i.e. busier or higher risk stages such as takeoff + landing or where quick diversion to safety is more difficult) in the pointy end, and the remainder of their time in the passenger cabin helping the rest of the cabin crew might be slightly more acceptable ? There will of course be numerous challenges in making this both viable and safe, but it should be achievable
Despite what MOL may say, Ryanair are aware that for the public to accept new ideas takes time and cajoling. Pilotless commercial passenger planes are not going to be accepted for a long time.
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As most aircraft accidents have a strong element of pilot error it follows that getting rid of the pilots will improve safety.
Just look at the safety record where there are driverless trains. Case proved
If my memory serves me well, did Rockwell in the US not design a pilotless passenger aircraft way back in the eighties but did not persue it due to negative public opinion.
Oh and don't forget the pilotless B720 used for crash research. Crashed wide of target whilst out of control.
Commercial pilots will never be replaced even at Ryanair.
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Irish Examiner reporting that Ryanair are to operate 3 new routes from Cork for coming winter. I wonder how new is new?
My bets would be to UK and could EMA start date be prosponed as the timings for winter were much improved and allowed weekend breaks. With FR there is a high chance that the routes will be to compete with either EI or W6.
Change of emphasis of customer base.
Slag off the Spanish Govt for raising fees payable by foreign tourists who become less inclined to fly to/from Spain and choose a different country for their leisure trip
Use this as an opportunity to cull some underperforming or marginal routes
Wait a while for some of the noise to quieten down
Use now spare aircraft on routes used by Tenerife residents / VFR to travel to/from Spain (they have little choice about whether or not to fly) and hope to grab some market share off Iberia and Air Europa
Slag off the Spanish Govt for raising fees payable by foreign tourists who become less inclined to fly to/from Spain and choose a different country for their leisure trip
Use this as an opportunity to cull some underperforming or marginal routes
Wait a while for some of the noise to quieten down
Use now spare aircraft on routes used by Tenerife residents / VFR to travel to/from Spain (they have little choice about whether or not to fly) and hope to grab some market share off Iberia and Air Europa
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The advantage of pilotless aircraft for the military is two fold; time on target and pilot safety.
Modern UAS can stand on target for 30 hours or more, but obviously no pilot can do that, hence the advantage of having them piloted from Arizona on 8 hour shifts.
With regards pilot safety, if a UAS gets shot down (a real possiblity) then it is just hardware that can be replaced, highly trained aircrew take years to get through the system.
I dont see any benefits from a commerical aspect simply because, as someone has mentioned above, you will still need a pilot on the ground so there is no real cost saving, and in the case of a hardware malfunction the pilot is there to sort things out, this is a lot harder if the pilot is thousands of miles away.
Just MO'L doing the usual and spouting rubbish for publicity
Modern UAS can stand on target for 30 hours or more, but obviously no pilot can do that, hence the advantage of having them piloted from Arizona on 8 hour shifts.
With regards pilot safety, if a UAS gets shot down (a real possiblity) then it is just hardware that can be replaced, highly trained aircrew take years to get through the system.
I dont see any benefits from a commerical aspect simply because, as someone has mentioned above, you will still need a pilot on the ground so there is no real cost saving, and in the case of a hardware malfunction the pilot is there to sort things out, this is a lot harder if the pilot is thousands of miles away.
Just MO'L doing the usual and spouting rubbish for publicity
I dont see any benefits from a commerical aspect simply because, as someone has mentioned above, you will still need a pilot on the ground so there is no real cost saving, and in the case of a hardware malfunction the pilot is there to sort things out, this is a lot harder if the pilot is thousands of miles away.
racedo - you never seen the ticket inspector on the Docklands Light Railway open the panel at the front of the train and become driver because something's gone wrong with the signalling system ?
