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Old 29th Sep 2009, 22:43   #121 (permalink)
 
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KLM are offering a round trip from Durham Tees Valley to Astrakhan for 1,311.80 over the half-term bank holiday in October, departing Sat 24 Oct and returning Sat 31 Oct going via Amsterdam and Moscow, with a codeshare onto Aeroflot from Moscow.

Maybe a way to entertain the kids while they're out of school ? Would give them something to talk about it in the playground at the very least.

The Russia guidebook I have at home devotes a few pages on Astrakhan - perhaps you could go visit the Astrakhan Kremlin with its 2 cathedrals, the history museum, or the remains of the monastery ? Astrakhan even has its own (genuine) Irish pub

Alas my guidebook for the UK has rather less to say on the sights of Middlesbrough, but I'm sure it's a nice enough place

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Old 29th Sep 2009, 23:49   #122 (permalink)
 
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No mention of coloured sludge and staying in the cowshed after dark to avoid being stabbed/shot/robbed.How things have changed. At least in Middlesbrough you can understand what your robbers are telling you to hand over. MME - ASF I wonder how Ryanair would describe that one.
Have you never wondered why Thomson's don't go there? Save your money and take the kids to Disneyland instead.
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Old 30th Sep 2009, 01:22   #123 (permalink)
 
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MME - ASF I wonder how Ryanair would describe that one.
Aberdeen/Edinburgh/Newcastle (South)/Leeds (North) - Moscow (North or what ever direction it is) is how this would be marketed one guess.
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Old 30th Sep 2009, 21:11   #124 (permalink)
 
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AT LAST REAL DESTINATIONS FROM TEESSIDE.
Just checked the Winter destinations on MME Website. New York,Singapore,Hong Kong,Lagos and many more. I kid you not. This is a real coup for the airport and is obviously why the Press Office has been so quiet of recent months.
Also other boring flights to mundane destinations but the headline destinations are absolutely first class. Well done the Peel management team!
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Old 30th Sep 2009, 22:15   #125 (permalink)
 
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paarmo - what have you been drinking, and can I have some of it please ? :-)
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Old 30th Sep 2009, 22:26   #126 (permalink)
 
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http://www.durhamteesvalleyairport.c...Guide_0910.pdf
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Old 30th Sep 2009, 22:29   #127 (permalink)
 
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Apart from Lapland and Barbados....the remaining routes seem to be via Amsterdam. Am I missing something here ?
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Old 30th Sep 2009, 22:40   #128 (permalink)
 
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Nobody mentioned the word DIRECT. It just shows the lengths they have had to go to to fill 2 pages of winter flight timetables. I think it was called spin when Tony Blair did it. Why let the truth get in the way of a good headline.
Correction just checked again ONE PAGE.
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Old 1st Oct 2009, 08:54   #129 (permalink)
 
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Suppose they have to fill the website with some content. Still room for improvement though, just spent last few minutes clicking away at the page (no links!) e.g. Singapore so that I can arrange flight to SIN in time to nip up to Raffles for a Gin Sling, though looks like you have already participated in an effective substitute!
Would it not simply have been easier to to put a link direct onto the KL timetable?, though in reality as regards Eastbound flights then many NE pax may be better served by being directed to EK / BA websites ..............

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Old 1st Oct 2009, 15:37   #130 (permalink)
 
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Sorry to mention name..but

Arrived at Newcastle airport yesterday lunch time to an amazing scene of people!! Seriously though a very interesting sight of Durham University staff with a couple of desks set up welcoming incoming students for the new term year.Saw a lot get off the Emirates and other international flights around that time.it brought it back to me that this name change to Durham TV is all very well,but if we have no flights,then what is/was the point?

It obviously hasnt attracted many (extra) passengers,surely the original reason for the change? Hence still no services.

At the risk of starting the debate all over again lets go back to Teesside Airport (or Paarmo international!!) Where are all students flying to who are going to the local universities here?

We need our own identity back!!
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Old 1st Oct 2009, 17:57   #131 (permalink)
 
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Name change

I think we can presume that the bmi service and DUB route would have been pulled regardless of the name change.

The change to DTV was at a time when a lot of airports were doing the same and the MME management for better or worse thought they would get in on the act.

I really struggle to imagine MME in any better a situation under Teesside International...although they would have saved thousands rebranding of course.

P.S I am not an employee of DTV or associated companies!
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Old 1st Oct 2009, 18:22   #132 (permalink)
 
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We need our own identity back!!
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I'll go with that one. The name change was the daftest thing ever. It made things worse, not better. It's still not too late to change both the name and the managment and claim back some business.

Don't know what others hear it being called, if they live locally, but I've only ever heard it called Teesside Airport and never Durham.

The name has never been accepted. Try asking at an overseas airport for Durham TV. We've even been told there is no such place! So much for "a need to identify with the area"!
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Old 1st Oct 2009, 19:31   #133 (permalink)
 
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Good points but the sad fact is changing the name back (or in fact retaiing it in the first place) probably would not make a jot of difference to the status of the operators.


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Old 1st Oct 2009, 19:47   #134 (permalink)
 
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I am pretty new to the area so you locals can probably answer my question.

When did Teeside International change its name to DTV?

When travelling north up the A1from Catterick I keep seeing signposts for Teeside airport , it seems someone forgot to mention the name change to the Highways Agency ,surely this doesn't do much for the promotion of DTV.

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Old 1st Oct 2009, 21:18   #135 (permalink)
 
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I do believe it was in 2004 - and the signs haven't been updated anywhere really, unless there are new turnoffs, where there are a FEW signs.
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Old 1st Oct 2009, 22:00   #136 (permalink)
 
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Let's get back to basics.
Excelsis and Middlesbrough FC management teams have more credibility than Teesside airport's.They have lost 2/3 rds of their customers in 2 years. It's a shambles. The Management Team have to stand up and be counted ,take responsibility and go.
The airport needs a new start and that includes the name.Either revert to the name by which it is known Europe wide or choose a name which has some connection to the area. Personally I favour Parmo International which has a certain local flavour ( but there again I may be biased ).
I know that these posts are seen by the "Mangement Team" so have the courage to do the right thing. GO!
Sorry I must go on with this rant.
Until 2 years ago the baggage reclaim signs still said Teesside. The signs on all major routes still say Teesside as the Highways Agency say that it would confuse motorists by sending them in the direction of DTV when it is nowhere near Durham. This is the truth and ask the Highways Agency for confirmation. ALL airports I have travelled back to the UK from in bucket and spade Europe still call it Teesside. This is the emperors new clothes syndrome.
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Old 1st Oct 2009, 22:49   #137 (permalink)
 
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Are we not clutching at straws by suggesting the name or brand is the root of the airport's problem?

If it was changed back to Teesside would Thomson and TC come rolling back? Would Ryanair fall back in love? Would bmi be inconsolable over a terrible mistake?

MME has never been a particularly strong airport and despite a slight charter boom I do think that people expect far far too much from it considering the much stronger competition to the North and South of the airport.

Why would a low cost bother? Ryanair could probably walk into slots at NCL, it certainly has at Leeds and both are in much stronger strategic positions

Teessides' industrial expertise is strong, no doubt about that but does it warrant an international airport? I'd imagine half these oil and chemical executives fly in via Emirates or LHR through NCL anyway

I think realistically, people need to scale back and think realistically for MME.

The question that pertubes me, what is realistic?
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Old 2nd Oct 2009, 12:50   #138 (permalink)
 
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JKKneWhy would a low cost bother? Ryanair could probably walk into slots at NCL, it certainly has at Leeds and both are in much stronger strategic positions
"Some say" that the name change was carried out in attempt to set up a relationship with RYR, & when RYR's request for "Newcastle South" was
justifiably thrown out, then the next best thing was to look to a way to incorporate Durham. This may have made the city of Durham happy?, but clearly not RYR whose presence at DTV is minimal.

In all seriousness guy's, the absolute fact is that the area is not large enough for two airports striving for the traffic the region creates. It never has been!, we have had all the "bumpf" as to catchment area debates on this thread over the years but the fact is that NCL & DTV are too close to each other. Outside Southern England then needs can be catered by Airports c. 100 miles apart, EDI to the North, NCL & LBA to the South. DTV is surplus to requirements in such a scenario.
Given the state of the country then Govt. funded major expenditure on regional airports is unlikely & presumably in DTV's case nil as there are other regional projects that can demonstrate a greater need. If & when the Government ever looks into the transport infrastracture of N.E. England & Southern Scotland then it would seem sensible to address communications between these areas by spending on much needed road improvements, thereby providing easier access accross the whole region from the borders & beyond in the North, accross to Carlisle & Cumbria in the West and all points into South Yorkshire. One would require a very strong industrial base to justify a higher concentration of Airports serving a particular part of the region, and as the NE in general has suffrered a steady decline over the past 30 years then so has the "special" case for two separate airports at NCL & DTV.
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Old 2nd Oct 2009, 15:01   #139 (permalink)
 
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I have just downloaded the winter flight schedule for DTV from the link Paarmo put up. Well I was absolutely bowled over by the piss poor flight options they have over the winter period. Two flights to Barbados, two flights to Malta but I am spoilt for choice going to Alicante as there is a flight every Tuesday, bargin!

Amsterdam daily three and Aberdeen four flights respectively, is there really only seven flights out of DTV a day?

I suppose DTV could advertise Amsterdam as a replacement stag weekend location to Newcastle and Aberdeen as erm urr well Aberdeen with connecting in flights to Bergen and Stavanger. I commute back to Aberdeen every weekend but I am priced out of flying that route on Eastern's Ford Escort with props so I stick myself to the train window for 5 hrs on a cheap fare.

With so many HM Forces in the NE I would have thought DTV might try and exploit the opportunity for loco flights to say Germany or have other quick thinking airports like LBA or NCL done that already? There is nothing standing out at DTV that makes me think about flying from there, absolutely sod all. Skyman hit the nail on the head in his last well written post, DTV I believe will struggle with it's bigger neighbours and especially in a volatile economic environment.

Off the subject a little but the last time I flew out of Teeside to Split on an RAF Tristar I arrived the night before (8 am flight and poor trains from Manchester) the caretaker was locking up about 1930 hrs and seemed a bit embarrassed by this, bless him he let me sleep in the Shell or ICI meeting room overnight. Does the caretaker still lock up around 1930 hrs?
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Skilly, I'd be surprised if he stayed that late, he's probably away a bit earlier to catch the train home.....
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