DURHAM TEES VALLEY AIRPORT - 5
Airport closures
do we need to start loking over our shoulders with the closure of Plymouth? Not for one moment saying there is a comparison but dont like the name of ....Holdings down there...too close to Peel Holdings for my liking!!
how is it looking for the summer anyone know what extra holiday flights are due..usually an increse in traffic this time of year with the bucket and spade flights!
any other news?..not manypostings these days..
how is it looking for the summer anyone know what extra holiday flights are due..usually an increse in traffic this time of year with the bucket and spade flights!
any other news?..not manypostings these days..
Looking at other airports which have had the same fate ,it appears that these development companies buy the an airport that is in the middle of two other viable ones , run the airport down over the years and slap charges on to stop people coming so they then can go to the powers to get it redeveloped into buisiness estates and housing... i feel from what i can gather from other sites that have had the same fate that the council has had a hand in the run down right from the start when these companies come in.......my opinion only....
From a post about the Plymouth closure. Uncomfortable?
From a post about the Plymouth closure. Uncomfortable?
Big problem for Peel is if they did close the airport they couldn't do much else with it. The whole area is full of empty offices, industrial units and half finished houseing estates.
Shame Peel had not bought Newcastle as there is supposidly a large amount of coal under there.
Shame Peel had not bought Newcastle as there is supposidly a large amount of coal under there.
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Other than both have had a drop off in passengers i really dont think you can compare Plymouth City airport to MME.
For a start who in their right mind buys an airport and then creates an airline to serve that airport (being largely the sole customer) with the long term sole aim of closing down the airport - why not just buy the airport, not start an airline, and say well no one is interested in Plymouth lets close it down - it would have been much cheaper.
It didnt happen at Sheffield City nor at Coventry (buy airport, airport owners set up an airline)...and yes am aware its now sort of happening at Southend.
The idea was probably good in theory - large City, buy the airport and try to capitalize on the fact their is no competiton but it hasnt worked - plus the fact when they sold the airline new owners Eastern canned some routes.
They are operating with less than 100 passengers a day ive read, we arent quite that far down the line and reliant on one sole airline for all flights.
Therefore i am not seeing the comparison with Plymouth that people should assume MME will follow suit and be next to close given the situations are different (owners, passengers, past history, airlines, catchment area)
On a side note - whats the story with Eastern using ASW and NWI based aircraft in the last couple of days - tech J41 planes or are they being used on charters this week?
For a start who in their right mind buys an airport and then creates an airline to serve that airport (being largely the sole customer) with the long term sole aim of closing down the airport - why not just buy the airport, not start an airline, and say well no one is interested in Plymouth lets close it down - it would have been much cheaper.
It didnt happen at Sheffield City nor at Coventry (buy airport, airport owners set up an airline)...and yes am aware its now sort of happening at Southend.
The idea was probably good in theory - large City, buy the airport and try to capitalize on the fact their is no competiton but it hasnt worked - plus the fact when they sold the airline new owners Eastern canned some routes.
They are operating with less than 100 passengers a day ive read, we arent quite that far down the line and reliant on one sole airline for all flights.
Therefore i am not seeing the comparison with Plymouth that people should assume MME will follow suit and be next to close given the situations are different (owners, passengers, past history, airlines, catchment area)
On a side note - whats the story with Eastern using ASW and NWI based aircraft in the last couple of days - tech J41 planes or are they being used on charters this week?
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I've often thought if Peel were serious about running MME as an airport they'd consider setting up their own airline, it's not like they don't have the funds, besides, the exact same business model would work at DSA too.
The strange Eastern movements are just temporary and are related to the Easter/Royal Wedding/Bank holidays.
The strange Eastern movements are just temporary and are related to the Easter/Royal Wedding/Bank holidays.
I've often thought if Peel were serious about running MME as an airport they'd consider setting up their own airline, it's not like they don't have the funds, besides, the exact same business model would work at DSA too.
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I've often thought if Peel were serious about running MME as an airport they'd consider setting up their own airline, it's not like they don't have the funds
"Highwideandugly" and "Get me some traffic" not the only one to see the connection
Plymouth airport closure a sign of things to come - News & Advice, Travel - The Independent
Plymouth airport closure a sign of things to come - News & Advice, Travel - The Independent
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I don't know if anybody has noticed but Peel no longer run the airport or are even the sole owners. Despite the lack of news from the Canadians I am sure that they are working to turn it around as they are proven airport operators rather than property investors.
Peel still seem to have plenty of funds at their disposal as they have just bid almost £100 million for Pinewood studios so it would appear they are under no pressure to dispose of their holding in their airports division.
Bad news on BBC's Watchdog programme when they highlighted the ridiculous £6 charge to enter the airside of the airport. They equated it to paying to walk onto the platform to get a train, which is quite right.
It does take time to turn something like this airport which appears to have been run by inept management for the past 10 yrs into a going concern again. My only concern is the lack of information and good news stories being released to the press. Even in their darkest days the last management team made their disasters into positive spin.
Peel still seem to have plenty of funds at their disposal as they have just bid almost £100 million for Pinewood studios so it would appear they are under no pressure to dispose of their holding in their airports division.
Bad news on BBC's Watchdog programme when they highlighted the ridiculous £6 charge to enter the airside of the airport. They equated it to paying to walk onto the platform to get a train, which is quite right.
It does take time to turn something like this airport which appears to have been run by inept management for the past 10 yrs into a going concern again. My only concern is the lack of information and good news stories being released to the press. Even in their darkest days the last management team made their disasters into positive spin.
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Given the current economic climate and the fact we have a government intent on destroying the UK airline business I am afraid that the writing may well be on the wall for airports such as Durham Tees Valley and others.
Thankfully the fact that we are in the middle of a commercial construction and housebuilding decline may actually have kept DTV open bit longer. Imagine how much the land the aiport currently sits on would be worth if the property bubble had not burst.
Thankfully the fact that we are in the middle of a commercial construction and housebuilding decline may actually have kept DTV open bit longer. Imagine how much the land the aiport currently sits on would be worth if the property bubble had not burst.
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DTV AIRPORT
Where on earth did you hear that rubbish?
Skyman
What a complete load of bollocks. Your post is so wrong that I will only give that comment rather than dismantle it line by line.
Where on earth did you hear that rubbish?
Skyman
What a complete load of bollocks. Your post is so wrong that I will only give that comment rather than dismantle it line by line.
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I really can't see how DTV is still running. They must be hemorrhaging cash.
If Cobham decided to bail out then surely that would be the end for them? I do believe that if the poperty market had been in better condition then Peel would already have turned dtv into a housing estate.
It's a shame but I cant see it becoming a viable operation.
If Cobham decided to bail out then surely that would be the end for them? I do believe that if the poperty market had been in better condition then Peel would already have turned dtv into a housing estate.
It's a shame but I cant see it becoming a viable operation.
I wonder if the management have looked at the reduction in public transport in the region over the past few weeks? The last bus to Richmond from Darlington is now 2100. It is no longer possible to arrive on the last KLM and get public transport to Catterick garrison. A taxi costs an arm and a leg. The serviceman on a short break from overseas can no longer easily get to Catterick to see his family without great expense. Teesside is one of the most difficult airports in the UK to get to. If the access problem were sorted more business would be created. It is easier to get to Newcastle or Manchester than Teesside, especially if you do not have your own transport. Open up the station, get more public transport and provide more popular destinations and passenger figures will improve. Simples!!!
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I think its indicative of the whole focus of the North East and North as a whole in that a perfectly good airport such as MME can be allowed to shrink with no questions asked by the local people, media and MPs. It is reflected in Darlington FC in that the club has made Wembley yet from a town of 100,000+ they haven't even sold 9,000 tickets yet! There is very little publicity and a whole load of apathy! Its ridiculous how the whole region is so focused on Newcastle- this is not a get at Newcastle. Why why why? The local population, media and to a certain extent MPs should be ashamed of themselves on both accounts! Teesside and the whole of the southern end of the North East region should pull thier fingers out!
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Onion,
Let's just get some perspective.
Firstly, Darlo FC are a non-league club who according to Football365 have an average attendance of 1886 a game....it's not the Champions League so get it into some form of scale.
The harsh reality is that changing public transport, the name and anything else is a red herring compared to the reality of a commercial world. There are not the range of flights to where folks want to go at a price they want to pay. Blame whoever but unless that changes it's a slippery slope.
Buses to Richmond for squadies late at night, once a week trains are all utterly irrelevant unless the above mix / formula changes.
It would be great to see both NCL and DTV do well but one is struggling and trying to hold station and the other is in freefall. MP's won't change a thing, the airport has to offer the right mix at the right price and get the punters back in. Simples.
Let's just get some perspective.
Firstly, Darlo FC are a non-league club who according to Football365 have an average attendance of 1886 a game....it's not the Champions League so get it into some form of scale.
The harsh reality is that changing public transport, the name and anything else is a red herring compared to the reality of a commercial world. There are not the range of flights to where folks want to go at a price they want to pay. Blame whoever but unless that changes it's a slippery slope.
Buses to Richmond for squadies late at night, once a week trains are all utterly irrelevant unless the above mix / formula changes.
It would be great to see both NCL and DTV do well but one is struggling and trying to hold station and the other is in freefall. MP's won't change a thing, the airport has to offer the right mix at the right price and get the punters back in. Simples.
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Whats Champions League got to do with it? I was comparing the two with regard to the apathy in the Teesside area to the local community and everything that entails! Take the stadium sponsor, The Northern Echo, for instance. They have been very poor at promoting the Wembley apperance! It always seems that the good is always surpressed and the bad is brought to the fore!
I think I kept things in perspective! MME isn't exactly Champions League either!
I think I kept things in perspective! MME isn't exactly Champions League either!
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You miss the point entirely. A club that gets less than 2,000 sells 9,000 tickets. What do you aspire to? Transfer argument to airport and what do you expect is realistically going to happen?
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On the positive side, Tees-Side Airport station now has 3 trains a week serving it, 2 of which on a Sunday connect to Darlington and Eaglescliffe, Stockton, Billingham, Seaton Carew, Hartlepool, Seaham, Sunderland, Heworth, Newcastle and Metro Centre!