DURHAM TEES VALLEY AIRPORT - 5
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The DTVA director Clr Budd has announced that he is standing as the Labour's candidate in the Mayor elections in Middlesbrough. £80k a year plus expenses.
He's been on the DTV board for years.
Dave Budd is Labour candidate for Middlesbrough mayoral election - Gazette Live
He's been on the DTV board for years.
Dave Budd is Labour candidate for Middlesbrough mayoral election - Gazette Live
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Teesside Airport Facebook page. What the public think of the current situation.
https://www.facebook.com/evening.gaz...93698297396915
https://www.facebook.com/evening.gaz...93698297396915
News?
Interesting conversation with a normally reliable source this weekend.
No details as such but an announcement is expected in June regarding new flights!
Is this a change of tact by peel ,have they seen the light maybe? Or something else..answers on a postcard please!
Passed through the terminal on Saturday..oh dear..the only activity was a couple of guys painting the zebra crossings!
No details as such but an announcement is expected in June regarding new flights!
Is this a change of tact by peel ,have they seen the light maybe? Or something else..answers on a postcard please!
Passed through the terminal on Saturday..oh dear..the only activity was a couple of guys painting the zebra crossings!
No details as such but an announcement is expected in June regarding new flights! Is this a change of tact by peel, have they seen the light maybe?
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Not a change of tactics no, Peel have always been looking for more flights, just the right kind of flights. I did hear something a couple of months ago about a new route, won't elaborate just yet just in case though.
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Can the true believers explain to us confused people what are "right" and "wrong" kinds of flights. I mean it's unusual to turn business away but perhaps Teesside are indeed trail blazing?
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I would imagine the "right" ones are ones you make money one and the "wrong" ones are those you don't
Although it hasn't been explained in detail, DTVA seems to be working on the basis that the split is somewhere between 100-150 pax
The Masterplan says they are looking for Domestic/near continent business orientated flights (or something like that!)
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Although it hasn't been explained in detail, DTVA seems to be working on the basis that the split is somewhere between 100-150 pax
The Masterplan says they are looking for Domestic/near continent business orientated flights (or something like that!)
#tactless
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Although it hasn't been explained in detail, DTVA seems to be working on the basis that the split is somewhere between 100-150 pax
Basic management requires you to have the facilities to serve the market you strive to operate in. This codswallop about going after a subsection of the market against NCL, MAN, LBA et al and ignoring anything outside that wee niche is unprecedented.
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Perhaps if Dtva got a London service again it might just reverse the fortunes of it.
Now that the sort of carriers that would get slots (Flybe into Lcy).
Or Perhaps links air could do (for example Dtv to Sen).
Then being smaller aircraft (to silence the negative comments about jets flying half empty).
Then there is no reason why it couldn't work.
But my question is , if it happens and did work ,
What then would the operator do if presented with an offer of new routes from say (for example)
Jet2 saying ok we see a market here and we'll run Flights to Amsterdam ,Prague . Barcelona and also we'd like to run to Malaga and Alicante ?.
Would they turn it away because Jet2 (just an example not me saying they would . Before I get trolled abused or shot down etc as seems to be the way this thread is run).
Or would they go back on their business only use.
I mean I don't see how they can grow it into anything beyond 10 routes without adding in holiday traffic.
Or can they start attracting domestic city to city feeder services .
Peel in theory could just as well buy a small fleet of Prop eg J41 Atr 42 or Even an Emb170 and a few coaches.
Then setup flying to other UK airports perhaps underused ones.
Eg Dtv - Dundee - bus to Edinburgh
Eg Dtv - Sen - Get an arrangement with the train operators for a code share type fair into central London
One that Probably would do Well would be a direct flight from Dtv to.Sumburgh cutting out having to go via Aberdeen.
The E170 could easily cope with Sumburgh and ought to be compatible as a service for the oil n gas industry.
Ditto the Faroe.
Sorry for the long post but ive noticed there never seems to be anything on this thread about the airport beyond constant Anti peel rhetoric politics. And negativity.
Has anyone stopped to think that in some small way this much hysteria over half the thread could be damaging the chances for the airport?
Now that the sort of carriers that would get slots (Flybe into Lcy).
Or Perhaps links air could do (for example Dtv to Sen).
Then being smaller aircraft (to silence the negative comments about jets flying half empty).
Then there is no reason why it couldn't work.
But my question is , if it happens and did work ,
What then would the operator do if presented with an offer of new routes from say (for example)
Jet2 saying ok we see a market here and we'll run Flights to Amsterdam ,Prague . Barcelona and also we'd like to run to Malaga and Alicante ?.
Would they turn it away because Jet2 (just an example not me saying they would . Before I get trolled abused or shot down etc as seems to be the way this thread is run).
Or would they go back on their business only use.
I mean I don't see how they can grow it into anything beyond 10 routes without adding in holiday traffic.
Or can they start attracting domestic city to city feeder services .
Peel in theory could just as well buy a small fleet of Prop eg J41 Atr 42 or Even an Emb170 and a few coaches.
Then setup flying to other UK airports perhaps underused ones.
Eg Dtv - Dundee - bus to Edinburgh
Eg Dtv - Sen - Get an arrangement with the train operators for a code share type fair into central London
One that Probably would do Well would be a direct flight from Dtv to.Sumburgh cutting out having to go via Aberdeen.
The E170 could easily cope with Sumburgh and ought to be compatible as a service for the oil n gas industry.
Ditto the Faroe.
Sorry for the long post but ive noticed there never seems to be anything on this thread about the airport beyond constant Anti peel rhetoric politics. And negativity.
Has anyone stopped to think that in some small way this much hysteria over half the thread could be damaging the chances for the airport?
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Really ? 
.Is that a genuine comment or a dig.
Just all I seem.to find on here is unpleasant constant negative and as some ignorant unpleasant individual made a totally unnecessary comment after I'd floated an idea about where we should have a UK hub airport.
With the South East so crowded and Heathrow unable to expand properly I suggested expanding Ema and making it the UK hub.
HS2 goes right underneath it. With a station built there on HS2 it's about 40 mins to.Central London.
Not much worse than current Heathrow links and unlike Heathrow it's nearer for more of the population.
Lots of land around etc for the expansion.
And it's by the M1 n nr The M1.
For that I got the response of is this a wind up.
Yet folk discuss Heathrow version 2 just about anywhere out in the Thames . Up in Oxford.
Anyway rant over.
As a note the the mods can't you ask folk to get back on topic about the airport.
I try to respect the forum. But this thread now is almost painful to read as its just a constant stream of political stuff some questionable statements about people at peel. But nothing about how as a community they could support the airport or petition peel to do something about it.
This thread apart from the last few posts since the poster mentioned there may be new flights in June , has for too long Not been about what should be discussed here.
Please can I start a New DTV thread .
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Jonathan
.Is that a genuine comment or a dig.Just all I seem.to find on here is unpleasant constant negative and as some ignorant unpleasant individual made a totally unnecessary comment after I'd floated an idea about where we should have a UK hub airport.
With the South East so crowded and Heathrow unable to expand properly I suggested expanding Ema and making it the UK hub.
HS2 goes right underneath it. With a station built there on HS2 it's about 40 mins to.Central London.
Not much worse than current Heathrow links and unlike Heathrow it's nearer for more of the population.
Lots of land around etc for the expansion.
And it's by the M1 n nr The M1.
For that I got the response of is this a wind up.
Yet folk discuss Heathrow version 2 just about anywhere out in the Thames . Up in Oxford.
Anyway rant over.
As a note the the mods can't you ask folk to get back on topic about the airport.
I try to respect the forum. But this thread now is almost painful to read as its just a constant stream of political stuff some questionable statements about people at peel. But nothing about how as a community they could support the airport or petition peel to do something about it.
This thread apart from the last few posts since the poster mentioned there may be new flights in June , has for too long Not been about what should be discussed here.
Please can I start a New DTV thread .
Kind regards
Jonathan
Would a DTV-SEN route be aiming at people travelling to/from London or to/from Essex ?
If aimed at people travelling to/from London, how would you persuade customers that it can provide a better service than a train between King's Cross and Darlington, given the high speed and frequency of the train service ? Also need to think about the direct Eaglescliffe-King's Cross train service as well as a competitor
If aimed at people travelling to/from Essex, why would an airline set up DTV-SEN when a route like Edinburgh-Southend seems a safer option ?
Peel seem to have decided they don't want 150+ seat aircraft at DTV. Therefore any DTV-SEN route would likely have to be using something with no more than 70 or 100 seats. Fewer seats means you have to charge higher fares to cover the cost of operating the flight. How do you persuade enough high-spending customers to fly DTV-SEN instead of just low-spending students / backpackers ?
Not saying it can't work - just that there are a lot of questions about such a theoretical route which might need to be carefully answered before it comes to reality.
If aimed at people travelling to/from London, how would you persuade customers that it can provide a better service than a train between King's Cross and Darlington, given the high speed and frequency of the train service ? Also need to think about the direct Eaglescliffe-King's Cross train service as well as a competitor
If aimed at people travelling to/from Essex, why would an airline set up DTV-SEN when a route like Edinburgh-Southend seems a safer option ?
Peel seem to have decided they don't want 150+ seat aircraft at DTV. Therefore any DTV-SEN route would likely have to be using something with no more than 70 or 100 seats. Fewer seats means you have to charge higher fares to cover the cost of operating the flight. How do you persuade enough high-spending customers to fly DTV-SEN instead of just low-spending students / backpackers ?
Not saying it can't work - just that there are a lot of questions about such a theoretical route which might need to be carefully answered before it comes to reality.
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I am getting quite a few complaints about DTV being written about without the FACTS to support pithy 'findings.' The more written about DTV the more unfounded the views of so-called experts become.
What is apparent is that some are posting, then have a re-think, then delete what they have written. I can SEE each deleted post, there are plenty of them, and I can also see that a lot is just repeated twaddle. No facts to back them up. That is the work of trolls and/or mischief makers.
The whole thread is driven by some who THINK they know what they are talking about while others suddenly realise that they have made fools of themselves. Others DO know what they talk about and should be listened to.
So, let me make it clear. I am not about to be an auntie to anyone or all who do not take part in a debate, lose all sense of direction and mess up the thread as in this case. For me it is simple. I close the thread and you, whoever you are, comply with the rules of PPRuNe, you signed up to them when you joined, and put sensible meaning to your posts. Don't guess. Don't print facts that are NOT facts and DO NOT write rubbish just for the sake of it. I will delete any posts that deviate from the topic or do not make sense. Couldn't be clearer wouldn't you say?
This thread is now closed. Someone can start another with the same title but with a 6 after it.
Also, I will ban anyone from the thread who does not follow the rules.
PPP
What is apparent is that some are posting, then have a re-think, then delete what they have written. I can SEE each deleted post, there are plenty of them, and I can also see that a lot is just repeated twaddle. No facts to back them up. That is the work of trolls and/or mischief makers.
The whole thread is driven by some who THINK they know what they are talking about while others suddenly realise that they have made fools of themselves. Others DO know what they talk about and should be listened to.
So, let me make it clear. I am not about to be an auntie to anyone or all who do not take part in a debate, lose all sense of direction and mess up the thread as in this case. For me it is simple. I close the thread and you, whoever you are, comply with the rules of PPRuNe, you signed up to them when you joined, and put sensible meaning to your posts. Don't guess. Don't print facts that are NOT facts and DO NOT write rubbish just for the sake of it. I will delete any posts that deviate from the topic or do not make sense. Couldn't be clearer wouldn't you say?
This thread is now closed. Someone can start another with the same title but with a 6 after it.
Also, I will ban anyone from the thread who does not follow the rules.
PPP
