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Old 29th Nov 2014, 08:59
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Not good after all then....sorry to raise false hopes
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Old 29th Nov 2014, 11:49
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Awww ah well, that's a shame, I was wondering because it's still in at least 3 of the November 2014 - October 2015 brochures I have. Why were they dropped? Lack of aircraft? Because I don't think they were on sale long enough to cite it as low forward bookings (apart from Antalya, it would seem that Thomson has dropped it entirely, it isn't a selection to book anymore)
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Old 29th Nov 2014, 13:33
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This makes EMA currently the 11th busiest UK airport by pax volume. 10th spot is held by NCL on 4,501,516, just 12,712 pax for the year. If both airports continue to grow at their current rate EMA will move in to the Top 10 during 2015.
Interesting analysis from EGNXEMA on the "East Midlands" thread. Of course they also do a bit more freight than us (but don't have any long haul pax flights )
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Old 29th Nov 2014, 14:08
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EMA/NCL

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EMA-SFB & EMA-CUN still bookable on the Thomson website which not too dissimilar to Newcastle and they still get the cruise flights operated by Thomson in winter but I assume you mean schedules such as EWR & DXB?

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I think the Thomson IT department must had seen some economies recently, as the timetable is just awful and bears no relation to the actual current flight schedule but I would imagine it is low priority as few IT punters would be looking at the timetable first when booking a holiday. BHX - PMI on Air Europa was changed in the holiday booking section a few weeks after it was released and it is still shown in the timetable.

2015

As for 10th spot, EMA has an extra Jet2 and more flying by Ryanair but of course will lose two Monarch A321's compared to last summer. Not sure how this will affect things overall.

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Old 29th Nov 2014, 14:18
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but I assume you mean schedules such as EWR & DXB?
Absolutely (and I was too polite to mention business links to Europe... )
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Old 29th Nov 2014, 14:22
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TOM do long-haul flights from EMA, but admittedly yes NCL does have more long-haul pax flights as you have EK and now UA too.

EMA's traffic is also much more seasonal in nature than NCL's, so during the summer months EMA is noticeably busier.

Despite ZB leaving EMA, 2015 will probably be very similar to 2014.

How is NCL looking?

To be honest even if it's looking only fractionally busier for 2015 then you'll probably keep 10th place. If NCL is stagnant or sees even small declines though then its possible that EMA might over take.
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Old 29th Nov 2014, 14:31
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The only change in the based units I'm aware of is Jet2 changing 757's for 738's, so don't expect much difference?
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Old 29th Nov 2014, 15:16
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"Of course they also do a bit more freight than us"


I couldn't see the smiley face at the end of that comment clearly, but I assume it had its tongue well and truly in its cheek!


I believe the 2013 freight/mail figures are roughly EMA 300,000 and NCL 10,000.
In other words EMA handles more than twice as much freight in a month as NCL does in a year?


However, as FRatSTN states, EMA's pax traffic is heavily weighted towards the Summer season and even with the increases by LS and FR next year I suspect the loss of Monarch will mean their figures will be well and truly in the minus category from April onwards.


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Old 29th Nov 2014, 15:33
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Belair.

I suspect the loss of Monarch will mean their figures will be well and truly in the minus category from April onwards.
No I don't agree. LS are basing an extra aircraft and FR basing at least one more (looks like they need to do a few changes to the schedules). EI will also be there next year and BM going from 2x to 3x daily on their BRU route (not much in volume but every little helps). If EMA does decline it will only be in the summer season and more importantly it will only be very slightly.

Anyway, back to NCL...
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Old 29th Nov 2014, 15:50
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In other words EMA handles more than twice as much freight in a month as NCL does in a year?
You might beat us on pure freighters but we have you on scheduled pax wide-body belly cargo - with tongue firmly in cheek!
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Old 29th Nov 2014, 15:54
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UFFF

Shall we maybe talk about Newcastle on the Newcastle thread? Just a thought!!! Well done UA, great news
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Old 29th Nov 2014, 19:36
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To be fair I don't see a problem with comparing two "competing" airports one one of the airport's threads. If we were comparing LPL and EMA then yeah I understand but...

I believe it's still roughly correct that NCL has an even split, 1/3 legacy, 1/3 low cost, 1/3 charter? A few more EU routes from legacy carriers and it might tip it a bit more towards legacy which I think is a better position to be in, unlike airports such as EMA and LPL which are >3/4 charter and low cost <1/4 legacy.

I do unfortunately have a slight vendetta because as I see it EMA has stolen Jet2, same with GLA.

With regards to LS changing from 752's to 738's, it will in fact have a pretty big effect. Jet2 alone represents a loss of 736 seats per day on last year. In total with TCX changing to A321's and TOM changing to 738's, we're down 2176 seats per day for the height of the summer season next year. I.e, down about 200,000 pax for June-August alone. Obviously not 100% accurate but it can't be denied that it is having an effect especially since none of them has made a significant increase in seats/based aircraft/weekly frequencies for about 2/3 years.
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Old 29th Nov 2014, 19:48
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unlike airports such as EMA and LPL which are >3/4 charter and low cost <1/4 legacy.
What legacy airlines operate from Liverpool?
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Old 29th Nov 2014, 20:35
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Well... None... Maybe one next year if EI counts. Apologies legacy was the wrong word to be using, but by that I meant Aer Lingus, Bmi and Eastern... Aurigny and Flybe kind of count.

Liverpool was a bad example, Liverpool is about 98% low cost, no charter, only Flybe breaking up the locos.

EDIT: Another apology, I was talking about EMA first, misread your post

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Old 29th Nov 2014, 22:19
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With regards to LS changing from 752's to 738's, it will in fact have a pretty big effect. Jet2 alone represents a loss of 736 seats per day on last year.
736 seats per day? Really? 752-235 seats / 738-189 seats. 2 flights per day per A/C 46 seats per flight x 4 flights is only 184 seats per day by my reckoning unless I've missed something?
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Old 29th Nov 2014, 23:05
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Apologies there is an error in my calculations, thank you for pointing that out, I have multiplied the no. of seats available return by the total no. of flights instead of the no. available one way... So, 2 752's, swapped for 2 738's (although I think the plan may be 3 now but my calculations were based on 2)

752 = 235, 738 = 189, 235-189 = 46
46 x 2 = 92
2 returns per day per aircraft = 8 one way flights per day +/-

A/C 1 = 46+46+46+46 = 46 x 4 = 184
A/C 2 = 46+46+46+46 = 46 x 4 = 184

184+184 = 368 seat deficit. Still quite large.
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Old 30th Nov 2014, 10:15
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Seats JET2

So the difference of 368 for the downgrade of the 2x 757's to 738??

However aren't we seeing an extra 733 being added to ncl for next summer
So that will be 148 seats per flight and if that aircraft does 2 flights per day then will that not be an increase at ncl????

Also TCX seats will be the same as this summer as its a321's again
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Old 30th Nov 2014, 12:54
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That's correct as far as i've heard... the figures don't make sense to me.

Think its time we got over TOM and TCX (and LS) dropping 757's and move on - S15 compared to S14 will be the same for both TOM and TCX, not a decrease and if jet2 replace a 757 with two 737's then that will be a net increase.

Can't remember exactly when TOM dropped the 757's but you can't keep inferring they are decreasing NCL next summer when they aren't - the 738's have been around for atleast a year now
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Seats/Airlines

Its a shame that the websites have not been able to keep the timetable sections up to date. I have just checked the AEA flights and yes now not bookable but it seems they are changing the days of flying around again for some of the Turkish stuff.

Sadly its this time of year just before Xmas that the holiday flights have been on sale for 6 months and before the Jan rush they change and drop things that are not selling as expected. Does not mean it may be gone forever they may bring it back in the next reshuffle which is normally end of march before the season starts.

Looking forward......... ITS ALL GOOD!!!!!

The 3 main holiday operators (TOM,TCX,LS) all increasing there flying for this coming summer.

We have EWR and a DAILY DXB!!!!!



So whats next.....Which routes and airlines is the airport is working on.........???

i have send emails to both FLYBE and BMI asking what there plans are for routes to Germany from NCL. Both airlines have stated in past statements that they are looking at routes to germany from NCL but this hasnt happened yet...
Reply from both was a standard please keep checking website!!!!!


Short haul routes charter...
The airport has this covered very well and i can see only a handful of routes that could be added in years to come.


Long Haul......

What are the chances of getting a few new routes from NCL.
Could TOM,TCX holidays work together on this

Routes we have had to come back?


******RYANAIR*****
With the change of direction for this airline in customer service and the airports now MAIN ones being added could we see them add more routes from the north east in the coming years?


Flybe full timetable and flights on sale from the 9th dec i doubt we will see anything else new but maybe???
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Old 30th Nov 2014, 14:08
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The 3 main holiday operators (TOM,TCX,LS) all increasing there flying for this coming summer.
Apologies if I've not been keeping up, but what's the expansion from these three? Apart from a possible extra Jet2 733 (is this confirmed?), aren't the other two the same? More W's in or fewer W's out (didn't think there was much except for the third TCX unit)?
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