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Plus any EK expansion is probably decades away at nthe minute. it very rarely operates with a 428 seater at the moment, 90% of the time it has been using a 3 clkass a/c with significantly reduced Y seating capacity
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My bad i never heard anything about Montego bay , But airlines like Thomson are our best bet for extra long haul destinations for now
Correct , Emirates expansion will come when it comes and until then lets just wait for whatever new routes we get
Correct , Emirates expansion will come when it comes and until then lets just wait for whatever new routes we get
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Growth (History)
Interesting comments re. Newcastle's ability for growth and fanciful wish lists compared to realistic route expansion. - However I have a copy of 95/96 Winter Timetable which shows Newcastle enjoyed such routes as Bergen, Stavanger & Oslo by Braathens (SAS) Boeing 737 a/c on a daily basis! Brussels 4 times Daily (Sabena/Brussels Airlines), Caledonian weekly to GOA, India, Weekly Orlando by Airtours etc....
Newcastle enjoyed a peak of over 5.6m passengers in 2007 (Without Emirates & organic growth!) compared to 4.4m last year. Since 20007 Teeside has virtually closed apart from KLM & Eastern, but populations have increased so where has all the demand gone? - LCC's via EasyJet & Jet2 have increased! Bristol!!!has overtaken NCL!
Could it be Newcastle is just too expensive? I'm aware of at least 3 families travelling up to Edinburgh and one other travelling via LeedsBradford to save hundreds of pounds!
Newcastle, I believe has the market & opportunity to grow beyond 8m pax in TODAY's market.
Mix of 1/3rd each Business, Leisure & LCC is about right, but more marketing and promotion is needed.
Newcastle enjoyed a peak of over 5.6m passengers in 2007 (Without Emirates & organic growth!) compared to 4.4m last year. Since 20007 Teeside has virtually closed apart from KLM & Eastern, but populations have increased so where has all the demand gone? - LCC's via EasyJet & Jet2 have increased! Bristol!!!has overtaken NCL!
Could it be Newcastle is just too expensive? I'm aware of at least 3 families travelling up to Edinburgh and one other travelling via LeedsBradford to save hundreds of pounds!
Newcastle, I believe has the market & opportunity to grow beyond 8m pax in TODAY's market.
Mix of 1/3rd each Business, Leisure & LCC is about right, but more marketing and promotion is needed.
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I think it's all cause and effect, it requires time and dedication from the airlines, along with advertising to get people to travel and let the market mature, then they can keep growing doing the same, as Emirates has done, and will continue to do for many years. Since the downturn, I think airlines have convinced themselves that high end and long haul and city/business routes won't work at NCL because they people who would use the routes have also convinced themselves of the same! They then use EDI/LBA/MAN and just get used to having to do that. There is no reason I can see why LH doesn't have at least a daily E190 to FRA instead of that God awful service to Dusseldorf. EZY at NCL has been and will continue to b a disappointment, TOM/TCX downsizing is a real shame and LS.... We will see, it really could go either way.
I just worry because NCL has gone from one of the fastest to (probably) one of the slowest growing airports in the UK and I just cannot think why! As above, I can guess, but I know bugger all...
I just worry because NCL has gone from one of the fastest to (probably) one of the slowest growing airports in the UK and I just cannot think why! As above, I can guess, but I know bugger all...
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With the greatest of respect I think your final comment is probably your most accurate.
At the age of 16, what qualifies you to refer to a NCL-DUS service as 'God awful'??
You are of course entitled to your views but please at least try to substantiate them.
At the age of 16, what qualifies you to refer to a NCL-DUS service as 'God awful'??
You are of course entitled to your views but please at least try to substantiate them.
With respect to the spotters and dreamers on this thread remember this. If a carrier sees a market in a route from A to B then they will look at it and possibly 'dip their toe in the water'. They won't be looking on here to see what wishful thinkers want. A good example of this is the China Southern route that has 3 charter flights from BHX. If it works they may schedule regular flights at a later date. Whilst the charterer bears all costs for these flights, CZ might think a regular schedule is worth operating. If not they won't.
In all this hand wringing, nobodies mentioned the obvious - look at the significant economic indicators and you'll find the north east down the bottom, and then you will understand why airports like Bristol have grown faster.
Oh, and somebody remind me again how long the DUS service has been running...
Oh, and somebody remind me again how long the DUS service has been running...
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Just to add to something I said yesterday about appreciating what Newcastle has.
I remember a couple of months back, BA announced an increase in flights over the summer. It may only have been an extra 2/3(?) flights a week but coming from an airline which is limited in its SH fleet and is limited slots wise at LHR, this showed a massive confidence in support of NCL and I remember it got about 3 posts in response before it was back to.... 'Lets get Norwegian here' or mourning the possible loss of 757's (which is actually a good thing for NCL if 2 a/c are replaced with 3 737's as there will be better yields and potentially more routes opened up AND more longer lasting routes as a result of correct size aircraft on them).
Also in the monthly figures, the only thing that ever seems to be commented on by some, not all, is EK's figures - not BA or KLM for example who carry much more pax in/out of NCL
Its all well and good having realistic dreams and sharing rumours but picking destinations out of thin air and saying 'x could make this work' is not a rumour
I remember a couple of months back, BA announced an increase in flights over the summer. It may only have been an extra 2/3(?) flights a week but coming from an airline which is limited in its SH fleet and is limited slots wise at LHR, this showed a massive confidence in support of NCL and I remember it got about 3 posts in response before it was back to.... 'Lets get Norwegian here' or mourning the possible loss of 757's (which is actually a good thing for NCL if 2 a/c are replaced with 3 737's as there will be better yields and potentially more routes opened up AND more longer lasting routes as a result of correct size aircraft on them).
Also in the monthly figures, the only thing that ever seems to be commented on by some, not all, is EK's figures - not BA or KLM for example who carry much more pax in/out of NCL
Its all well and good having realistic dreams and sharing rumours but picking destinations out of thin air and saying 'x could make this work' is not a rumour
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Bristol!!!has overtaken NCL!
SWBKCB is correct in citing economic indicators -the Bristol region is one of the most economically vibrant in the country with a large number of comparatively well-off leisure travellers and also draws in two million of its annual passenger numbers from Wales, Devon and Cornwall (CAA stats again). This is why, even with a postage stamp sized airport physically, poor surface connectivity and sometimes challenging weather conditions in the 600 feet high 'mountains' of North Somerset on top of which BRS sits, the airport is the only one of the UK's top ten to have seen passenger number growth every year from and including 2010.
It's largely reliant on easyJet though and to a lesser extent Ryanair and now has no long haul following Continental's pull-out in 2010 and Thomson's axing of its transatlantic charters from this summer. So even there not everything in the garden is rosy.
NCL was mentioned in the context of BRS in the BRS thread the other day when the Middle East was being discussed. The thought was put that Turkish Airlines to Istanbul would be a more likely candidate than one of the MEB3, not least because their aircraft would be a better fit operationally at BRS.
A poster who is not a regular on the BRS thread but who makes valued contributions elsewhere on PPRuNe ventured the opinion that NCL would probably be ahead of BRS in Turkish's pecking order. I asked what led him/her to this conclusion having regard to the fact that NCL already has Emirates but so far there has been no reply. I don't necessarily disagree with that assessment but I was interested to learn the thinking behind it.
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Longtime lurker. Dusseldorf is well located in Germany's most populous state of Nordrhein-Westfalia. Would estimate around 20 million people live within 1 hour of the airport and it is well served by road and rail. Reasonable to assume the flight attracts people going to both places. Not to mention good onward connections to Germany and eastern Europe.
The flight has been going as long as I can remember. On the pax numbers it seems to be doing ok, nothing fancy but steady increases going by the last few reports posted on here.
Prices have come down slightly since being taken on by Germanwings though I guess it would take quite a surge in demand to get them to put anything more than a CRJ 900 at present. Thats what about 90 seats and the A319s they use out of other UK airports hold circa 130?
The flight has been going as long as I can remember. On the pax numbers it seems to be doing ok, nothing fancy but steady increases going by the last few reports posted on here.
Prices have come down slightly since being taken on by Germanwings though I guess it would take quite a surge in demand to get them to put anything more than a CRJ 900 at present. Thats what about 90 seats and the A319s they use out of other UK airports hold circa 130?
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Jet2.com launches four new routes from Newcastle Airport for summer 2015 - Chronicle Live
Jet2.com launches four new routes from Newcastle Airport for summer 2015 - Chronicle Live
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Just checked the Air Malta website and flights not book able. Perhaps they are yet to release their flights.
That route does not need three airlines. Overcapacity looms and yields will trash. It is not sustainable.
That route does not need three airlines. Overcapacity looms and yields will trash. It is not sustainable.