Quote ''The contrast in opinions between this, and other Ryanair threads, and the Silverjet threads running at the moment is quite astonishing.
On the one hand there exists a low cost carrier which provides nothing more than a point to point safe air service and makes no bones about the minimalist service. Ryanair flies new aircraft, the oldest being around 5 years old before it is replaced. The company makes millions, is expanding and provides well paid employment for around 1200 pilots.
On the other hand Silverjet was(my emphasis) an unadulterated luxury carrier, promising exceptional standards of customer service on point to point routes. They flew old aircraft, lost millions and put hundreds out of work.
Yet the vitriol hurled at Ryanair suggests that they are doing something wrong: whereas, Silverjet appear to be regarded as positvely saintly !!
Frankly it comes down to snobbery: you think air travel should be the preserve of the rich and that it should be shrouded in some glamourous fog. As the pilot, you should be idolised for doing such a skilled yet dangerous job and paid millions; women should throw themselves at your shiny black Oxfords as you parade through the terminal in your immaculate gold ringed uniform, scrambled egg adorning the peak of your company hat, on the way to your 5 star hotel, accompanied by a a swathe of stunning cabin crew.
Taking your own coffee and sandwiches really is a come down for you!
Snobbery: nothing more, nothing less.''
Absolutely brilliant Justin
It never ceases to amaze me the amount of absolute junk spoken on here about Ryanair. Most of this crowd would love to see us go out of business. Yes, I too have heard we are about to post a loss, the first one ever under the current management. Well whoopy-do. No shit Sherlock. Come on guys, there will hardly be a single airline, let alone LCC that will not be doing similar in the current climate of unsustainable fuel costs. If an airline such as Ryanair, that cuts costs to the bone are hurting, imagine what the inefficient national airlines of the rest of Europe are doing, not mentioning the smaller so-called low cost carriers in the UK such as Jet 2 etc. Whilst not wishing anything bad to happen to them, I am sorry to say that I am sure they will soon go the way of Silverjet if the oil price stays at this level.
600 redundancies?? Complete bull. As has been said, new aircraft are arriving all the time. I looked at the delivery schedule the other day and it surely must be the busiest yet. Come September, new aircraft are arriving at the rate of several a week. These are not going to be left sitting idle. They will be flown, hopefully not at a loss but I am sure they will be flown all the same.
Where has this cr@p about 20 aircraft currently being stored come from? We rarely have a single aircraft spare, let alone 20!! Sure, the older airframes are being disposed of but this is bringing millions into the company. Rumour has it that the second hand value of these aircraft virtually matches the cost that was paid to Boeing in the first place.
So, in summary, sorry to disappoint the majority of PPRuNe'rs that seem to want Ryanair to fail....it won't be pleasing them any time soon!
Tip top dear boy. Clusters of immaculately clad pilots lurking in the cafes, gadget stores and bookstores of terminals throughout Europe, union cards at the ready.
Callow Second Officers ordered to take the point, exposing themselves to untold dangers, their inexperience and naivety worn like a badge of courage, whilst their seniors sit in ambush waiting for the vicious, licentious soldiery that are the Ryanair crews to shamble past, weighed down by cheap gas station ham and cheese baguettes slowed down by heavy wallets bulging with sector pay.
The carnage hardly bears thinking about: just how much damage can a uniform cap do?
But a small black Le Creuset saucepan secreted in a briefcase??????
Frankly it comes down to snobbery: you think air travel should be the preserve of the rich and that it should be shrouded in some glamourous fog. As the pilot, you should be idolised for doing such a skilled yet dangerous job and paid millions; women should throw themselves at your shiny black Oxfords as you parade through the terminal in your immaculate gold ringed uniform, scrambled egg adorning the peak of your company hat, on the way to your 5 star hotel, accompanied by a a swathe of stunning cabin crew.
Where has this cr@p about 20 aircraft currently being stored come from? We rarely have a single aircraft spare, let alone 20!! Sure, the older airframes are being disposed of but this is bringing millions into the company. Rumour has it that the second hand value of these aircraft virtually matches the cost that was paid to Boeing in the first place.
It came directly from Leo Hairy Camel himself. Spoken in one of his financial reports it said:
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Unit costs rose by 2% reflecting the unjustified doubling of airport charges by the BAA Stansted monopoly, higher charges at the Dublin Airport monopoly and a 6% increase in average sector length. Cost increases over the winter were limited by our decision to ground 7 aircraft at Stansted and we will extend this program next Winter by grounding up to 20 aircraft ( approx. 10% of our fleet), mainly at Stansted and Dublin where high airport charges make it more profitable to ground aircraft rather than fly them through the Winter.
Their finances suggest that airport charges are much higher than staff costs so any major increase at their main hubs will be a huge concern for the bean counters.
Frankly it comes down to snobbery: you think air travel should be the preserve of the rich and that it should be shrouded in some glamourous fog. As the pilot, you should be idolised for doing such a skilled yet dangerous job and paid millions; women should throw themselves at your shiny black Oxfords as you parade through the terminal in your immaculate gold ringed uniform, scrambled egg adorning the peak of your company hat, on the way to your 5 star hotel, accompanied by a a swathe of stunning cabin crew.
Happy days, I remember them well, unfortunately by the time my hat was covered in scrambled egg I was too old to be of interest to my stunning cabin crew! C'est la vie.
I remember that being said last winter. At that time, whilst there was certainly more aircraft 'spare' than with the summer schedule, there certainly wasn't a systematic storing of 7 aircraft. The previous posts said that 20 aircraft would be 'parked up' this winter, giving the impresion that 20 particular aircraft would be put into long term storage. I am sure that will not happen.
So, there is less business over winter; nothing new in that; and rather than fly all the fleet at a reduced utilisation rate it is better flying part of it at a high utilisation rate. Again, there is nothing new in this thinking; it's a common practice across the industry. So what is all the fuss about? Have I missed something?
The Ryanair business model was never, ever going to be sustainable, as I've said on numerous occasions.
For the record, that model is:
1. Sell product below cost of production.
2. Drive competitors out of business.
3. Profit!
It worked just fine for Stagecoach. As long as you've got plenty cash in the bank, which isn't one of Ryanair's problems, it's perfectly valid. Just not nice
The Ryanair business model was never, ever going to be sustainable, as I've said on numerous occasions.
For the record, that model is:
1. Sell product below cost of production.
A common fallacy believed by many of Ryanair. There are a number of seats sold at headline grabbing fares at below cost per flight - but there are many more seats sold at above cost on the same flight!
A common fallacy believed by many of Ryanair. There are a number of seats sold at headline grabbing fares at below cost per flight - but there are many more seats sold at above cost on the same flight!
Indeed, and FR's average one-way fare is around €40.
Don't forget that numerous ancillary revenue sources (surcharges, if you prefer) complement ticket revenue; indeed, James Fremantle, of the AUC, argues: 'Airlines are simply putting up their prices with these surcharges.'* Whatever, ancillary revenue is of fundamental importance to FR, without which it would be considerably less profitable.
I dont think so. Started by someone who feels their job is not looking so sceure I bet. Like em or not, mark my words, most of you will have to consider applying for them over next 5 yrs or so, maybe sooner (or go hungry!). I know for a fact this is not true. The opposite actually. Sorry to disapoint.
Having worked for Ryanair, I certainly have a personal opinion about the airline and is not positive.
In one word I would describe it as disgraceful.
The main problem for Ryanair is that it doesn't have the margin to reduce their cost anymore.
Any airline in the world could operate in the way Ryanair does if needed in order to survive, but what can Ryanair do to survive?
Also the average Ryanair worker does not care about the airline and when tOugh times come everyone will run away as fast as they can, making it probably the quickest disappearance of an airline such a size.
In my opinion Ryanair brought the low fares for the public to enjoy but for the airline employees it hasn't brought anything else apart from misery.
I understand that some of you will not agree with me, and I respect your opinion.
nmpilot. It does not mean anything. Back in the 80s I was given an airline ticket by a major US bank to fly to a major US city, dined and told I was hired and to report to HR in the morning. Woke up in my hotel room (paid for by the bank), turned on the TV only to hear the bank had gone "belly up". I checked out and jumped on the first flight before they could seize my return ticket or get me to pay the hotel bill. Business is business and frequently the masses know nothing until it is all over.
if that was 600 pilots that would be like 1/3 of the pilot work force. must be flight attendants if anything.they always seem to be going first anyways
But, between now and 2012 Ryanair have another 100 or so B738's arriving and under their model they need 6.7 crews per aircraft to keep them running (Eddie Wilson's figures) and shedding 600 crew just does not add up.
Sorry, but it does make sense. They have publically disclosed to analysts that they are selling older 737-800s (see earlier post of mine, cited from Chris Avery of JPMorgan).
They are canny business operators and will not hesitate to shrink the business to maintain greater profitability.
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