Well if they are said to be parking 20 Aircraft for the winter season and they average 5 sets of crew per aircraft including cabin crew if they operate a 2/4 configuration then thats 30 people surplus per parked airframe so times that by 20 parked airframes and you come to the magic 600 figure........I know nothing about Ryanair and this is just my assumtion on these strange figures being quoted.
nimble i agree, laying off 600 pilots means grounding in the region of 60 aircraft, this is close to 33% of the fleet, permanently! all that will do is allow the competition to expand to pick up the slack. Not what you would do if you where trying to force other companies to the wall now is it?
those who yak on about "ryanair taking deliveries" and "ryanair's expanding fleet" should look at the link below and note the number of "WFU/to be WFU" designations. http://www.jethros.dwsitech.com/flee...in_service.htm
MOL flogs his aircraft until they get worn around the edges and then makes them someone else's problem. The fleet size hasn't grown that much in some time because of this practice, considering the number of deliveries.
Sounds like nonsense however O'leary made hay while the sun was shining hence the huge reserves. He's gong to need all of it soon because the RYR model is not geared towards this type of downturn and despite all his BS he knows it. Demand is falling off, the passenger base is disintegrating. No fuel hedging either..that alone will balance the books against RYR's other 'efficiencies'. Flying to tarmac strips in a farmer's field will not be cost effective when the wannabe ferry passengers can't stretch to it anymore.
Well they've alread got rid of all of their contract engineers at one main base I worked for them at one stage when they were making hundreds of millions and it was not a pleasant place to work, I can only imagine how grim it must be now that their arse is to the wall, O Leary himself won't be worried about his next mortgage payment. My deepest sympathies to the employees at this time......
Lots of the Brookfield guys have had their 1 month allocated to the winter. Some of the permanent staff will reach 900 hours early so can't fly anyway. Add to that annual leave allocation and the few that will take the unpaid leave and you already have a substantial reduction in capacity within normal ops. Im sure some of the Brookfield guys will also be told they arnt needed for a bit but I don't think people will get laid off in the traditional sense.
You might want something to be true; you might wish in your heart of hearts for something to be true, you might wish ill upon MOL and his supposed foul spawn of an airline, you might long for the day he and his bastard creation fall asunder but no matter how much you write it, read it, wish it, it is all just so much rumour and innuendo. Most of what is written here amounts to a bucket full of lies and ignorance and when the aforementioned numbers do not come to pass, and Ryanair is one of the few survivors in years to come, what will you all write here to acknowledge the fact that you are wrong and know nothing? Nothing! Blarney, baloney and wishful thinking from all of you naysayers. Sad and ignorant doubters, the lot of you. History will prove the true facts.
And all this was started by a Line Captain at Dublin...Must be true then. I'd imagine Howard Miller and Michael O'Leary had invited him round for tea and scones, then marched him off to the crewroom in order for him to share the news with his colleagues. However, like all hot inside Ryanair gossip, what was actually said (or never actually said at all in most cases) is blown out of all proportion in order to ensure the longevity of the rumour. It's like Chinese whispers. A story that starts off in one crewroom ends up being a different one in another. By the time it gets round the whole network it no longer bares any resemblance to the original story!
When he parks the 20 aircraft they will be used as spares and they will fly. Also he has offered unpaid leave for 3 months which means if you take it you will do 900 hours in 9 months.
The contrast in opinions between this, and other Ryanair threads, and the Silverjet threads running at the moment is quite astonishing.
On the one hand there exists a low cost carrier which provides nothing more than a point to point safe air service and makes no bones about the minimalist service. Ryanair flies new aircraft, the oldest being around 5 years old before it is replaced. The company makes millions, is expanding and provides well paid employment for around 1200 pilots.
On the other hand Silverjet was(my emphasis) an unadulterated luxury carrier, promising exceptional standards of customer service on point to point routes. They flew old aircraft, lost millions and put hundreds out of work.
Yet the vitriol hurled at Ryanair suggests that they are doing something wrong: whereas, Silverjet appear to be regarded as positvely saintly !!
Frankly it comes down to snobbery: you think air travel should be the preserve of the rich and that it should be shrouded in some glamourous fog. As the pilot, you should be idolised for doing such a skilled yet dangerous job and paid millions; women should throw themselves at your shiny black Oxfords as you parade through the terminal in your immaculate gold ringed uniform, scrambled egg adorning the peak of your company hat, on the way to your 5 star hotel, accompanied by a a swathe of stunning cabin crew.
Taking your own coffee and sandwiches really is a come down for you!
er..not quite Justin. There are plenty of LCC pilots on these forums who are fairly happy with their own operators but wouldn't touch O'learys mob with a 40ft pole. Many reasons there may be but snobbery doesn't come into it
Justin, since you clearly hate pilots so much then perhaps you should clear off from a Professional Pilots Rumour Network. Log onto the beeb instead and have a good moan there. Does MOL know you are logging on from work? Best get back to the grindstone and make sure your mobile isn't on charge either.
Come, come my little black Le Creuset set, I don't hate pilots at all. Is it not the case that there are many and varied voices in these hallowed halls?
Were you sick on the day everyone else did CRM? Is an alternative view not valid ? Does advocacy ring a bell? Or did I just touch a raw nerve ?
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