Well said. The LCCs do give a good service - on-time record is generally better than the majors and price is obviously the big factor.
However, I must say that the BA crews that I've flown with as a pax have been outstanding - friendly, competent and efficient and as an aside, the best pilot PA announcements that I've ever heard. I presume that they do some training in this area? In any case, I hope they never lose this. And I use both LCCs and full-service carriers regularly.
Don't knock either end of the business. Easy and Ryan have opened doors for pilots who would never have got a look in at the majors in the past. Most use the LCCs to get their experience and then move on. I reckon that there are many many more pilot jobs in the world than there were in the pre-deregulation days. The pilot wins, the LCCs win and the majors later get very good pilots for free! There will always be room for both LCC and full-service carriers.
If, I repeat, If he's right, then where will that leave all of the posters on PPRuNe who seem to spend most of their precious free time slagging off RYR, MOL and all the bottom feeding scum pilots who work for him, I wonder? Eating humble pie will not even begin to cut it when you come crawling to the door in Dublin looking for the crumbs of comfort you so require. 'Give us a job Michael, please.' If you get told to crawl back from whence you came, don't feel too bitter about it, Ryanair pilots have been putting up with it from the loud and ignorant posters here for many years now. Time will tell and I know which horse I would back right now.
The saddest thing is the same old (!!) characters on here who droan on about the same old thing. It would be interesting to see actually how sad and lacking their lives are.
So come on camel, stansdead..and who ever...come and write your very "important" views on here.
I will be off...have a life to live, flying to enjoy, and above all a life rather than being sddicted to this all the time.
Well done Ryanair...keep the old twisted farts out!!
I think Ryanair are the best airline in Europe, and probably the world. I have given up my British Airways Gold Card as I found a better airline!
British Airways, who once might of actually been good - absolutely screwed me over!
They broke my laptop bag, and lost my checked luggage, which had a expensive suit, I got nothing.
Ryanair, however, have some of the greatest, hardworking, devoted staff that I have ever come across. They have always been polite, courteous, and extremely kind! I have enjoyed every minute of my flying. And for the past 4 years, once a fortnight when I fly for work. I really enjoy it!
I just think that if some people don't like Ryanair, they can go to hell. Ryanair are doing a excellent job, and I totally praise every single employee.
I think they have to put up with a lot of crap, and it isn't fair. When another airline flies more passengers than Ryanair they can accept it! Until then, keep your opinions to yourself.
I want to say THANK YOU RYANAIR!!!
Too many people are quick to moan, groan, and criticize, they never seem to appreciate the times when Ryanair does something good, which 99.99% of the time - they do.
I totally appreciate everything a Ryanair employee has done for me!
He has been wrong before you know, remember he didn't invent the concept of low frills aviation, he copied the Southwest formula but with a few crucial differences. He didn't value or strive to maintain any sort of customer loyalty, his theory was if you sell the seats cheap enough, the customers will come in their droves, you can treat them like shite, and if they don't like it, so what! there'll be more customers to replace them, Southwest don't operate like this and have a great many satisfied customers who enjoy the 'Southwest Experience'. Ryanair doesn't have that loyal customer base to support them in their current difficulties, and the current economic downturn means that more people are worried about paying their mortgage than jumping on a £5 Ryanair flight to somewhere they've never heard of before. His other mistake was in the way he treats his employees, again Southwest adopt a different approach.
People have long since realised that Ryanair are no longer a low cost carrier, you might find a cheap flight if you want to travel over and back to Stansted for a day carrying nothing more than a newspaper, but have a look at how much a "holiday flight" to any of their destinations for a typical family of four is when you factor in the suitcases, the airport check in, the booking fee and the nagging doubt in the back of your mind that if anything happens your flight (regardless of how much you've paid for it) Ryanair will treat you with the same disrespect that MOL feels that someone "whos only paid a pound for their flight" should be treated (ie like sh**e).
Hes half right in that article where he says people will still want a holiday in a recession, they just won't want to do it on a Ryanair flight.....
I took my family on holiday with Ryanair - we got treated fine. I am talking about a quite young family with 2 young kids.
We didn't get treated like shit, and certainly I think there are a loyal customer backbone. I saw 6 other businessmen and businesswomen on a flight to Dublin last month. They seem to choose Ryanair for their business flights.
I gave up a Gold BA card, so they must be good!
The employee's are not treated like crap, as they would quit.
The difference with SouthWest, is the customers only come back when they know the plane hasn't crashed. I've been with them - they are pretty terrible.
If you don't like Ryanair, fine - but when you can't afford to fly with BA. I bet I see you on a Ryanair flight.
To get there, safely, comfortably, on-time, and cheaply. Fly Ryanair! And at the end of the day - that is what you want? Or do you expect yesterdays newspaper on the seat? Or maybe a free drink as you think you've deserved it? Or some disgusting sandwich? If you want that, and probably Hell. Fly British Airways.
what is this comparison with ryanair and BA ?? 2 totally different operations,with customers at opposite ends of the spectrum.both fulfill a market niche and both have admirers and critics.to compare the two is ludicrous.travelling on business to hong kong,company paying for the travel,book at ba.com.....taking the kids to see the in-laws living in rural france,ryanair wins hands down.BA are concentrating on long haul business class and first traffic.ryanair are offering cheap fares to obscure european destinations.both will survive and eventually prosper,but to compare the two in rediculous.the BA first and business class product is superb and great fun if the company pays the fare and as a result will always be in demand.ryanair offer cheap,no frills travel on short haul trips.....cheap,nasty,but usually on time,you get what you pay for.i despise the drinks from plastic sachets with no ice,just dreadfull .but france for £50 return,who is complaining ?i just fear that fuel at the price it is,will destroy the locost model and make the full service airlines the choice in future.unless you are travelling to one of these obscure destinations,only accessible by ryanair and the like.you know the ones,just a few miles from the remote holiday home !
Ryanair's announced fiscal first quarter profit of €21 million ($32.7 million) did not include a €93.6 million writedown in the value of its stake in Aer Lingus nor €17.9 million in accelerated depreciation on 15 aircraft scheduled for disposal during the 2009-10 fiscal year. As a result, the actual result for the three months ended June 30 attributable to equity holders was a steep €90.5 million loss. The company's operating profit was €7.9 million, down from €157.5 million in the year-ago period. It counted the fleet depreciation charge against its final operating result (ATWOnline, July 29).
Sorry but your posts read like a not-very-subtle publicity puff from MOL himself. Clearly BA upset you with your baggage issue and you've (over?)reacted by burning your bra or BA gold card but believe me RYR are no angels.
I flew RYR once and swore never to do so again. The service was abominable. The staff were clearly unhappy which was reflected in their demeanour. They were impatient and surly, one of the cabin crew even told me "This place is sh1t, I want another job". As for your suggestion that they don't leave you need to get to know a few. I live near Stansted and believe me they DO leave and there's very, very little company loyalty among those who stay.
Like most people on here my dislike is not so much of the company but of its so-called leader and his cohorts one of whom told a group of newly hired pilots "I hate pilots. If I could fire you all I would do so immediately". Nice.
RYR is a deceitful and dishonest company. How many times have they been in Court? How many times have their adverts been declared misleading? How can you possibly condone a person who defends his lack of a customer service department because "The b@stards would forever be phoning us up"? One of three explanations I suppose. You're either one of those few b@stards*/customers who has yet to experience their 'normal' service, you're RYR management or you're a troll. I'll discount options two and three and forecast the slipping of the rose-tinted spectacles at some time in the future.
Oh, I notice that BA never did anything to induce your fear of landings. Might be time to consider going back to them
I've just been reading the hard copy edition of the Times that contains the afore linked interview with MOL. Despite the fact that I despise the man (but respect his business acumen - eg the Sarkozy/Bruni publicity!!), I find myself agreeing with just about all the points he makes in the article - that's a shocker I can tell you..............In that same issue on page 3 is another really interesting article entitled " Final call for more than 50 airlines" Well worth a read and the pax stats for 2007 are illuminating (mills) : Luft/Swiss 54.2 AF 50.5 Ryan 49.0 Easy 38.2 BA 33.6 BMI 10.6 Flybe 7.0 Interesting times ahead..
So how come with so many empty seats no one seems to be interested in providing an opportunity to book very last minute standby seats e.g. pitch up at the check in within say 1 hr of dep and get a seat at a price that maybe just covers the fuel plus a small percentage for profit? More profitable than flying the seat empty! No seat then turn around and head for the nearest pub! After all, the equivalent of the population of Australia lives within about an hour of EGLL and EGKK, EGSS, EGXX, and those travellers with no restrictions (cashed up DINKIES) may well take up an offer of a very cheap seat to bugger off somewhere at very short notice. There again perhaps some seats are priced that way already! Just a thought! LCC and Long Haul - same principle applies. Oz for a week Sir? Thats 300 quid !! Beats the Costa anyday.....well worth it!
You gave up a BA gold card for Ryanair? To qualify for the gold card you would have had to have flown more than once a fortnight or you paid top whack fully flexible club fares. If the latter then either somebody else picked up your fare or your circumstances have radically changed.
Personally I'll fly the most convienient and cheapest option I can and I pay my own ticket. I travel a twice a week from Ireland to the UK and back. I have used BA, Aer Lingus, BMI, BMIbaby, Aer Aran and Ryanair. Who would I not go back to.... Ryanair. Why? because they are not convienient (Stanstead) for my needs, not much cheaper when luggage is required and every experience has included rude and indifferent crew. The last time, travelling home from a holiday with my family, we were held back, with other young families, at the gate and told to wait until the end when we would be seated. When everyone had boarded I asked which seats we were to take, assuming some had been held for families, to be told 'any you can find like everyone else' I questioned why we were not allowed through earlier with everybody else and was told that young families take too long to board and hold up the process. When finally onboard the cabin crew at the door didn't say hello only 'you'll be lucky to find 5 seats near each other. My two youngest children were 3yrs and 5yrs and were not sitting alone. Whilst I tried to rearrange seating I was told I could be arrested if I didn't sit down straight away. Any help, answer 'not my problem' Sorry you can keep Ryanair at the top of your tree but I'd rather swim the Irish sea than give MOL and his cronies my cash.
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- that's a shocker I can tell you..............In that same issue on page 3 is another really interesting article entitled " Final call for more than 50 airlines" Well worth a read and the pax stats for 2007 are illuminating (mills) : Luft/Swiss 54.2 AF 50.5 Ryan 49.0 Easy 38.2 BA 33.6 BMI 10.6 Flybe 7.0
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