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Old 19th Feb 2012, 20:16   #1621 (permalink)
 
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Experience teaches to expect the unexpected! Let's see what this next week brings, we must be approaching the end game.
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Old 21st Feb 2012, 09:54   #1622 (permalink)
 
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Forgive me because I am no expert, but can IAG just shut down Bmir and Baby then make all the staff redundant?
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Old 21st Feb 2012, 10:08   #1623 (permalink)
 
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I heard speculation that Baby is being given to Jet2 with a cash incentive.

Has anyone else heard this rumour, or is it just a silly rumour that is doing the rounds?
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Old 21st Feb 2012, 10:15   #1624 (permalink)
 
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I would guess that's the reason for the price reduction if they are not sold before IAG takes full control of bmi.

Having said that it would not be simple or straight forward, especially in WW's case with a full Summer schedule ahead and I guess saying to the boys and girls at the sharp end BTW your finished in Autum would not be er? motivational so they would have to offer either an enhanced retention package, unlikely or bite the bullet and an immediate shut down, again unlikely or more likely continue to seek disposal.

With regional it's more difficult to see a positive out come E135/145 are a waste of a LHR slot and flying for beeline under IAG won't can't last, there's not much left, Flybe might make some sense? but what to do with the ERJ's are they owned or leased?

Perhaps a third way might be to get someone to take on WW & bmir, if the ERJ's are owned, then gifting them in to a new set up as assets might add some meat? They could share a lot of the back room stuff, the 737 or more likely ERJ's could become a fleet and a lot of overheads would go at a stroke. The new company could cut an exchange deal with Embraer with owned ERJ's traded in for E Jets which would work well on WW's short routes or thinner longer routes? Just a thought, probably a daft one
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Old 21st Feb 2012, 10:21   #1625 (permalink)
 
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Scratchy

I don't think you could rule Jet2 out of the frame but friends at baby tell me the company line is that Jet2 are not involved so it's probably true
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Old 21st Feb 2012, 10:48   #1626 (permalink)
 
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It is one of the many rumours doing the rounds at the moment.
most I've spoken to seem to think it makes some sense, but we will just have to wait and see.
Personally i hope not but eh oh.
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Old 21st Feb 2012, 12:37   #1627 (permalink)
 
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The current runners and riders for Baby are:

Intro Aviation 25-1
Tesco 100-1
Orange (telecom) 1000-1
Jet2 4-1
Stobart Group 5-1
Management buy out 1000000000000000-1
IAG to retain 3-1


Anyone know of any others?
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Old 21st Feb 2012, 13:32   #1628 (permalink)
 
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On non-jokey terms. Co-op.
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Old 21st Feb 2012, 14:28   #1629 (permalink)
 
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runners and riders

None of them are the party that signed the term sheet.
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Old 21st Feb 2012, 14:46   #1630 (permalink)
 
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Old 21st Feb 2012, 15:27   #1631 (permalink)
 
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Didn't someone mention Air Contractors?
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Old 21st Feb 2012, 17:02   #1632 (permalink)
 
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The only peeps who know anything are DLH: let's just wait and see.
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Old 21st Feb 2012, 17:13   #1633 (permalink)
 
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None of them are the party that signed the term sheet
how would you know?
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Old 21st Feb 2012, 17:17   #1634 (permalink)
 
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Does it matter chief?

Fact is £5K per jet per day is a lot of turn round for Stobart / Tesco / RBS / HSBC / Waitrose / Morrisons / Sainsbury / Body Shop / Hilary Wossname.
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Old 21st Feb 2012, 20:26   #1635 (permalink)
 
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So, runway30, it must be the bunch of next-Gen Arfur Daleys from south Wales who signed the term sheet then? No wonder Lufthansa were unsure if the deal would complete - they must have met them! Probably had to lend them a pen to sign the term sheet and didn't get it back afterwards either.
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Old 21st Feb 2012, 20:34   #1636 (permalink)
 
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Little birdie tells me that a certain LTN based airline could be interested due to the dowry that comes with the rugmonkey....
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Old 22nd Feb 2012, 08:13   #1637 (permalink)
 
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2 mill a month where did that figure come from????
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Old 22nd Feb 2012, 18:06   #1638 (permalink)
 
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14 jets * £5K per day = £70K per day.

You do the next bit
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Old 22nd Feb 2012, 18:28   #1639 (permalink)
 
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its more than double the amount that WPS let slip... much to everyones amazement, at a meeting last year.
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Old 22nd Feb 2012, 18:30   #1640 (permalink)
 
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ps ,
not quite correct on your maths as we aint been operating 14 all winter so you do the maths eh!!
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