MD80 plane crash in Phuket, Sep. 07
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Just above: "... if you get involved in an accident ... someone will brand you a fruitcake ..."
That's always been the case: and our fellow pilots are our worst enemy.
This began before the rumors about the Captain in the mysterious inflight upset aboard SilkAir 19Dec97.
Our fellow pilots, and the Manufacturer, could take Captain Jesus Christ, and prove to the Board that he was suicidal.
For readers who might find this an overstatement, just think back to other mysterious inflight upsets during the '50's, '60's, and '70's: In North America the rumor of the suicidal co-pilot was a recurring theme (oh, he was strange!), and the Crash Axe, and rumors that the pilots deeply desired to deploy Flaps while at CRZ FL390.
That's always been the case: and our fellow pilots are our worst enemy.
This began before the rumors about the Captain in the mysterious inflight upset aboard SilkAir 19Dec97.
Our fellow pilots, and the Manufacturer, could take Captain Jesus Christ, and prove to the Board that he was suicidal.
For readers who might find this an overstatement, just think back to other mysterious inflight upsets during the '50's, '60's, and '70's: In North America the rumor of the suicidal co-pilot was a recurring theme (oh, he was strange!), and the Crash Axe, and rumors that the pilots deeply desired to deploy Flaps while at CRZ FL390.
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If we can just get back to the point may I suggest the pilot made the wrong decision in terrible weather and 90 people died.
Unlike the Adam Air tragedy there is lots of evidence here to point the finger of blame at the captain.
We can look at the photo's as much as we want but it does not take much to arrive at the obvious.
I don't want to ruffle feathers but the buck stops with the person at the controls during the landing phase.
Unlike the Adam Air tragedy there is lots of evidence here to point the finger of blame at the captain.
We can look at the photo's as much as we want but it does not take much to arrive at the obvious.
I don't want to ruffle feathers but the buck stops with the person at the controls during the landing phase.
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I worked for OX in 2006. I left this operator because of it's appalling disregard for safety and regulations. I warned the OX administrators, in writing, of their unacceptable standards. No one replied or acknowledged my warnings. This accident was simply looking for a place to happen. Anyone connected to professional aviation in Thailand will acknowledge that Orient Thai- One Two Go is dangerous. I have kept emails, letters etc that would prove that someone was trying to raise attention. Anyone connected with the families affected by this senseless accident reading this post are welcome to contact me via PM.I will supply all the info in my possession. I simply hope OX' management will be jailed, they are criminals.
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Can I suggest you read this:
http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_....php?id=122127
and this:
http://ribbeckandkelly.com/manuelribbecktwo.html
and then contact the lawyers: http://ribbeckandkelly.com/
http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_....php?id=122127
and this:
http://ribbeckandkelly.com/manuelribbecktwo.html
and then contact the lawyers: http://ribbeckandkelly.com/
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http://ribbeckandkelly.com/manuelribbecktwo.html
... Just read that link and my word - that appears to me as a pretty nebulous article given their so-called aviation expertise.
... Just read that link and my word - that appears to me as a pretty nebulous article given their so-called aviation expertise.
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From the above link - "
He said the very same plane had figured in an incident in Nashville, Tennessee on June 18, 1987, where it nearly collided with another plane (Nothing to do with the Phuket crash) as both were taking off. “It is a known fact that Boeing 737s have defective design in the rudder system,” Ribbeck said, adding that several of the 3,000 manufactured have already figured in as many crashes."
Can someone explain that to me please? Is it 3000 in 3000 crashes? Or "several......in as many crashes"? If you substitute '5' for 'several' and also for 'as many', it would read '5 of the 3000 manufactured have already featured in 5 crashes'.
He said the very same plane had figured in an incident in Nashville, Tennessee on June 18, 1987, where it nearly collided with another plane (Nothing to do with the Phuket crash) as both were taking off. “It is a known fact that Boeing 737s have defective design in the rudder system,” Ribbeck said, adding that several of the 3,000 manufactured have already figured in as many crashes."
Can someone explain that to me please? Is it 3000 in 3000 crashes? Or "several......in as many crashes"? If you substitute '5' for 'several' and also for 'as many', it would read '5 of the 3000 manufactured have already featured in 5 crashes'.
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where it nearly collided with another plane (Nothing to do with the Phuket crash) as both were taking off.
One 2 GO's questionable maintenance practices it seems, had nought to do with the Phuket accident.
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Careful, I'll bet many a passenger flying into Kai Tak wished their plane was a Junk.
That US lawyer is suing Boeing for the accident. If you want someone who will sue the operator, I suggest you look elsewhere.
That US lawyer is suing Boeing for the accident. If you want someone who will sue the operator, I suggest you look elsewhere.
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Survival aspects.
A thought on seeing the pictures with survivors.
Just looking at it from a survival-technical viewpoint: I think this summers' flip-flop slipper fashion was an unfortunate one. I would not like to have walked through the crash rubble barefoot.
Just looking at it from a survival-technical viewpoint: I think this summers' flip-flop slipper fashion was an unfortunate one. I would not like to have walked through the crash rubble barefoot.
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Law offices like this are considered "Ambulance Chasers" in the US. They take on cases for a settlement agreement. If they win your case the law office wins big time and you get peanuts!
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A thought on seeing the pictures with survivors.
Just looking at it from a survival-technical viewpoint: I think this summers' flip-flop slipper fashion was an unfortunate one. I would not like to have walked through the crash rubble barefoot.
Just looking at it from a survival-technical viewpoint: I think this summers' flip-flop slipper fashion was an unfortunate one. I would not like to have walked through the crash rubble barefoot.
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EMIT - "Just looking at it from a survival-technical viewpoint: I think this summers' flip-flop slipper fashion was an unfortunate one. I would not like to have walked through the crash rubble barefoot."
Flip-flops and shorts are standard out here, if you are not working - I last wore a pair of shoes when I came back from Manchester almost a year ago, long trousers I only wear when I go to the Immigration to sign my 90 day notice or other business. The next time that I will wear long trousers will be on Christmas Eve, again for 90 day reporting unless Mrs Hippo and I decide to spend Christmas in the UK again this year.
Personally I do not wear flip flops and shorts whilst flying and I wish we could get back to the days when people dressed casual and polite.
Correct me if I am wrong but I thought that shoes were removed when using the evacuation chutes.
Slightly off-topic: The award for the most inappropriate use of flip flops goes to Fireman al Obaishi [because of his small stature and rotundity also known as 'Egg on Legs'] of Station 4 (Landside) JED for attending drills and shouts wearing full fire suit and flip flops!
Flip-flops and shorts are standard out here, if you are not working - I last wore a pair of shoes when I came back from Manchester almost a year ago, long trousers I only wear when I go to the Immigration to sign my 90 day notice or other business. The next time that I will wear long trousers will be on Christmas Eve, again for 90 day reporting unless Mrs Hippo and I decide to spend Christmas in the UK again this year.
Personally I do not wear flip flops and shorts whilst flying and I wish we could get back to the days when people dressed casual and polite.
Correct me if I am wrong but I thought that shoes were removed when using the evacuation chutes.
Slightly off-topic: The award for the most inappropriate use of flip flops goes to Fireman al Obaishi [because of his small stature and rotundity also known as 'Egg on Legs'] of Station 4 (Landside) JED for attending drills and shouts wearing full fire suit and flip flops!
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Mr Hippo,
Your last post jogged an old memory. Back in the '70's when I lived and worked in Saudi Arabia, the authorities at Dhahran Airport upgraded the fire services. As was the case with most of the services in the country at that time, the personnel were expatriate (mostly Indians and Pakistani's). They were paraded before the press in full kit, flame retardant suits, masks and head covering - the works. Sadly those who had organised the photo op forgot to tell the lads to get rid of their habitual footwear.
Yup - you guessed it. Full state of the art firefighting kit and flipflops. The guys from BAC (now BAe) who witnessed the event were in hysterics.
Your last post jogged an old memory. Back in the '70's when I lived and worked in Saudi Arabia, the authorities at Dhahran Airport upgraded the fire services. As was the case with most of the services in the country at that time, the personnel were expatriate (mostly Indians and Pakistani's). They were paraded before the press in full kit, flame retardant suits, masks and head covering - the works. Sadly those who had organised the photo op forgot to tell the lads to get rid of their habitual footwear.
Yup - you guessed it. Full state of the art firefighting kit and flipflops. The guys from BAC (now BAe) who witnessed the event were in hysterics.
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I can't believe Boeing is being sued.
Having worked there in 2004, I am more than aware of the common practice to disregard ANY law, not fix ANY problem, and have completely unqualified people flying the aircraft.
Udom (Owner) is the worlds biggest cheater and if he thought for a second he could save a nickle by removing one of the bloody wings. He would.
Others have posted situations, ie. B757 lands in ChangMai with Engine Failure. Udom wants crew to Single engine T/O and Ferry to BKK, Pieces of wing falling off in flight, Captains so drunk they can't walk up the steps turning up for duty... ect..
All this are just an average day, not an exception.
The man should be shot.
Having worked there in 2004, I am more than aware of the common practice to disregard ANY law, not fix ANY problem, and have completely unqualified people flying the aircraft.
Udom (Owner) is the worlds biggest cheater and if he thought for a second he could save a nickle by removing one of the bloody wings. He would.
Others have posted situations, ie. B757 lands in ChangMai with Engine Failure. Udom wants crew to Single engine T/O and Ferry to BKK, Pieces of wing falling off in flight, Captains so drunk they can't walk up the steps turning up for duty... ect..
All this are just an average day, not an exception.
The man should be shot.
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“It is a known fact that Boeing 737s have defective design in the rudder system,”
However, given the rest of what he said, I'm guessing he's done a Google search and hauled up a bunch of unrelated stuff on 737 crashes and the particular aircraft and tried to stick it together to make a case.
I can't believe Boeing is being sued.
Having worked there in 2004, I am more than aware of the common practice to disregard ANY law, not fix ANY problem, and have completely unqualified people flying the aircraft.
Having worked there in 2004, I am more than aware of the common practice to disregard ANY law, not fix ANY problem, and have completely unqualified people flying the aircraft.
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Etrang, I copy part of your post:
However, if you do have information relevant to the inquiry i do hope you will pass it on to the investigators, (and the lawyers) as this is the only way there is a chance of things improving.
I must remind you that the investigators are from Thailand. They are those same people who have been paid by Udom to turn a blind eye.
The end conclusion of the "investigation" report will be: The Captain is responsible, he f..d up.
I differ, The OX management is criminally responsible, but chances are the DCA findings will rule, because this is SE Asia
However, if you do have information relevant to the inquiry i do hope you will pass it on to the investigators, (and the lawyers) as this is the only way there is a chance of things improving.
I must remind you that the investigators are from Thailand. They are those same people who have been paid by Udom to turn a blind eye.
The end conclusion of the "investigation" report will be: The Captain is responsible, he f..d up.
I differ, The OX management is criminally responsible, but chances are the DCA findings will rule, because this is SE Asia
