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I used BRS in the morning rush yesterday for the first time since the extended security area and extended airside areas had been put in place.
I left on the 0710 easyJet to GLA, right in the middle of the most concentrated departure period of the day – 29 departures between 6 and 8.50, including 13 easyJet 319s/737s, 3 Ryanair 738s, 2 FCA 757s, 2 TCX 320s, an XL 738, an F 70 and two 146/RJ 85 aircraft, plus five turbo-props – in other words, over 4,000 seats.
I feared the worst and arrived just after 5.30 (I had checked in online) but have to say I was impressed with the ways things went.
About six or seven of the security stations seemed to be operating, and it took me just over fifteen minutes to progress from joining the queue to entering airside beyond security. It could have been a shorter period because a situation seems to exist at one point along the queue path where a staff member intercepts queuing passengers and directs them into a particular line to a particular station, and the queues to the nearer stations are shorter than those for the more distant ones. I was unlucky and drew the short straw to the furthermost station.
Some people queuing around me were luckier and got through security three or four more minutes quicker than me. Nevertheless, if around fifteen minutes is going to be the absolute maximum at such a time of day I will have no complaints.
Once into departures I went to the mezzanine floor and sat at a table overlooking the main apron. I was aware of a sense of increased space airside, even though work is still in progress on a new restaurant, and there seemed to be plenty of empty chairs around me. I also looked down into the departure lounge area proper and, although very busy, there were a good number of available seats.
Perhaps I was lucky and yesterday was not typical. If it is the norm though the airport may be able to handle a few more passengers in reasonable comfort at the busiest times after all, whilst waiting for its expansion to go ahead – always assuming it is allowed to go head of course.
eJGalleyKing
We're all getting too soft.
There was a time when a single-aisle 707 or DC8 to the US was regarded as the height of aviation travel. I actually prefer narrow-bodied aircraft but perhaps that's just me.
Incidentally, excellent easyJet flights to/from GLA yesterday, which I've become accustomed to expect, and we had ladies in the right hand seat both on the morning northbound and on the last southbound of the day.
Out of interest, no hidden or sexist agenda I assure you, do you know how many of the flight crew at BRS are female? I remember flying with an easyJet woman captain in command two or three years ago, again from GLA to BRS if my memory is good.
I left on the 0710 easyJet to GLA, right in the middle of the most concentrated departure period of the day – 29 departures between 6 and 8.50, including 13 easyJet 319s/737s, 3 Ryanair 738s, 2 FCA 757s, 2 TCX 320s, an XL 738, an F 70 and two 146/RJ 85 aircraft, plus five turbo-props – in other words, over 4,000 seats.
I feared the worst and arrived just after 5.30 (I had checked in online) but have to say I was impressed with the ways things went.
About six or seven of the security stations seemed to be operating, and it took me just over fifteen minutes to progress from joining the queue to entering airside beyond security. It could have been a shorter period because a situation seems to exist at one point along the queue path where a staff member intercepts queuing passengers and directs them into a particular line to a particular station, and the queues to the nearer stations are shorter than those for the more distant ones. I was unlucky and drew the short straw to the furthermost station.
Some people queuing around me were luckier and got through security three or four more minutes quicker than me. Nevertheless, if around fifteen minutes is going to be the absolute maximum at such a time of day I will have no complaints.
Once into departures I went to the mezzanine floor and sat at a table overlooking the main apron. I was aware of a sense of increased space airside, even though work is still in progress on a new restaurant, and there seemed to be plenty of empty chairs around me. I also looked down into the departure lounge area proper and, although very busy, there were a good number of available seats.
Perhaps I was lucky and yesterday was not typical. If it is the norm though the airport may be able to handle a few more passengers in reasonable comfort at the busiest times after all, whilst waiting for its expansion to go ahead – always assuming it is allowed to go head of course.
However, there is still something I find somewhat claustraphobic about EWR on a 757.....
We're all getting too soft.
There was a time when a single-aisle 707 or DC8 to the US was regarded as the height of aviation travel. I actually prefer narrow-bodied aircraft but perhaps that's just me.Incidentally, excellent easyJet flights to/from GLA yesterday, which I've become accustomed to expect, and we had ladies in the right hand seat both on the morning northbound and on the last southbound of the day.
Out of interest, no hidden or sexist agenda I assure you, do you know how many of the flight crew at BRS are female? I remember flying with an easyJet woman captain in command two or three years ago, again from GLA to BRS if my memory is good.
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Happened to notice on the BRS website's departures board a series of flight numbers beginning with AAG departing today, destination Bristol.
A Google search later reveals that to be Air Atlantique. What were they up to? Appears to be more on Thursday.
Spacey
A Google search later reveals that to be Air Atlantique. What were they up to? Appears to be more on Thursday.
Spacey
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Right Touch,
Many thanks.
wasaspacecadet,
It's part of the DC 3's farewell tour of UK airports. It's BRS's turn today and tomorrow, with the Dakota doing 'pleasure flips' as these were once called.
As I'm sure you know, the new EU regs will make it uneconomic for the DC 3 to continue with flights carrying the public.
Many thanks.
wasaspacecadet,
It's part of the DC 3's farewell tour of UK airports. It's BRS's turn today and tomorrow, with the Dakota doing 'pleasure flips' as these were once called.
As I'm sure you know, the new EU regs will make it uneconomic for the DC 3 to continue with flights carrying the public.
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flew the route a few weeks ago, and then on to lax. i or the other half could not fault co with the service we were given. have flown direct to lax with the major british airlines, but they do not have a good a product as co. long may they continue to operate out of brs. cus i will sure use them in the future , which ever part of the states i have to travel to
flew the route a few weeks ago, and then on to lax. i or the other half could not fault co with the service we were given. have flown direct to lax with the major british airlines, but they do not have a good a product as co. long may they continue to operate out of brs. cus i will sure use them in the future , which ever part of the states i have to travel to
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Easyjet v. Ryanair
Just found the following press statements U2 & FR in today's DT
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.. spokeswoman for Easy Jet said: "We are constantly surveying our passengers about the levels of service so we can act on them. However, Easy Jet is now the 4th largest airliner in Europe so people are voting with their feet."
A spokesman for Ryanair said: "Ryanair will continue to be the fastest growing airline by offering real passengers what they really want: safe, reliable, on-time flights at the lowest fares and with a no fuel surcharges guarantee. Meanwhile, Which magazine will continue to produce irrelevant, useless and inaccurate surveys of its loony members.
"If you want low fares and great passenger service then follow our 60m passengers and fly Ryanair. If you want to buy a useless magazine with no insight whatsoever into air travel, then we strongly recommend "Which" – whose annual member survey is about as useful as a baggage tag in Terminal 5."
"http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/2193784/BA-rated-%27average%27-by-consumers.html"
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As BRS is one of the few airports at which both airlines operate side by side, how would 'members' of this board rate them?
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.. spokeswoman for Easy Jet said: "We are constantly surveying our passengers about the levels of service so we can act on them. However, Easy Jet is now the 4th largest airliner in Europe so people are voting with their feet."
A spokesman for Ryanair said: "Ryanair will continue to be the fastest growing airline by offering real passengers what they really want: safe, reliable, on-time flights at the lowest fares and with a no fuel surcharges guarantee. Meanwhile, Which magazine will continue to produce irrelevant, useless and inaccurate surveys of its loony members.
"If you want low fares and great passenger service then follow our 60m passengers and fly Ryanair. If you want to buy a useless magazine with no insight whatsoever into air travel, then we strongly recommend "Which" – whose annual member survey is about as useful as a baggage tag in Terminal 5."
"http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/2193784/BA-rated-%27average%27-by-consumers.html"
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As BRS is one of the few airports at which both airlines operate side by side, how would 'members' of this board rate them?
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FR or U2?
Hi Pandy
Well, I will get the ball rolling!
Out of the 2 I much prefer EZY. Having flown with FR a few times, I just feel that they miss shall I say, a touch of professionalism. The last flight I took particularly sticks in my mind, as they taxied the 737 like a F1 car, around BRS and we 'landed' more than once on arrival at DUB!!!...Not sure if they still do it, but the fanfare on arrival is just tacky!
Now with EZY, I fly them a lot more, so I could be a little biased. I have never had a problem. I have always found the crew and the service fine for what they are all about. Not sure whether it is because we have had BRS based crews, but they are always friendly, but know how to deal with slightly unruly pax (= stag/hen do's!!!) in a polite manner.
I also think it may be to do with the fact that I prefer the 319, over the 738 aswell...Not sure why, but I feel more at ease.
I would fly both, but EZY gets my top spot...Now after all this I hope my flight to VCE next Thursday goes with a hitch!
2J&D
As an aside, does anyone know what happened in the hold of the EZY flight to ALC, last Friday pm (20th)? Was surrounded by fire crew and bags ofloaded. Was in the lounge waiting for the ASW to NQY (what a great way to save all that driving!) and it appeared a little serious.
Well, I will get the ball rolling!
Out of the 2 I much prefer EZY. Having flown with FR a few times, I just feel that they miss shall I say, a touch of professionalism. The last flight I took particularly sticks in my mind, as they taxied the 737 like a F1 car, around BRS and we 'landed' more than once on arrival at DUB!!!
...Not sure if they still do it, but the fanfare on arrival is just tacky! Now with EZY, I fly them a lot more, so I could be a little biased. I have never had a problem. I have always found the crew and the service fine for what they are all about. Not sure whether it is because we have had BRS based crews, but they are always friendly, but know how to deal with slightly unruly pax (= stag/hen do's!!!) in a polite manner.
I also think it may be to do with the fact that I prefer the 319, over the 738 aswell...Not sure why, but I feel more at ease.
I would fly both, but EZY gets my top spot...Now after all this I hope my flight to VCE next Thursday goes with a hitch!
2J&D
As an aside, does anyone know what happened in the hold of the EZY flight to ALC, last Friday pm (20th)? Was surrounded by fire crew and bags ofloaded. Was in the lounge waiting for the ASW to NQY (what a great way to save all that driving!) and it appeared a little serious.
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What a pleasure it was yesterday to see the Dak flying in and out of Brs yesterday, for once I was more than happy to wait at the holding point, just to sit there and watch its lovely curved final approach and landing was a privilege "proper flying" great noise also
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I remember flying into BRS on Cambrian DC3s in the 1960's
When you boarded you had to walk uphill to get to your seat & you were never sure exactly when the engines had actually started.
Once in about 1966 I came across from GCI / BRS in early Jan and the pilots had to turn on the leading edge (heaters?) to stop icing as we bounced around at ?5000ft. There were only 3 pax onboard.
It got so bad that the pilot came back to the cabin and asked
"does anyone HAVE to go to BRS? we can get in at Cardiff"
I stuck up my hand (as one did in those days) and said something like 'my family was waiting for me at BRS'. To which I got the grumpy reply
"Oh all right -I'll try BUT I'm not promising anything" slammed the cockpit door and we had a more than interesting landing.
Happy memories
When you boarded you had to walk uphill to get to your seat & you were never sure exactly when the engines had actually started.
Once in about 1966 I came across from GCI / BRS in early Jan and the pilots had to turn on the leading edge (heaters?) to stop icing as we bounced around at ?5000ft. There were only 3 pax onboard.
It got so bad that the pilot came back to the cabin and asked
"does anyone HAVE to go to BRS? we can get in at Cardiff"
I stuck up my hand (as one did in those days) and said something like 'my family was waiting for me at BRS'. To which I got the grumpy reply
"Oh all right -I'll try BUT I'm not promising anything" slammed the cockpit door and we had a more than interesting landing.
Happy memories
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Ahhh, G-AMPY, G-AMPY, G-AMPY. Such a lovely creature. Shame about the unelected feckwits from Brussels shortening her days. Still, twas nice to see her again yesterday after such a long time. Working at Coventry was such an education.
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CO route BRS-EWR
I posted on here last week that I thought that too many local people were still using LHR for transatlantic travel instead of the CO from BRS to EWR.
Well, by coincidence, in today's Bristol Evening Post web edition there is a story headlined 'Bristol Airport Could Axe New York Flight' (surely the airline would do the axing not the airport, but that's the press for you I suppose) in which BRS MD, Paul Kehoe, expresses his concern that not enough local business passengers are supporting the service and instead are using LHR. He calls on them "to use or lose" the New York route.
Mr Kehoe blames 'inertia' and is quoted in the newspaper report, "Whether it is because of corporate deals done at a national or international level, or individual decisions based on building up air miles with Heathrow-based airlines, the end result is the same - unnecessary road or rail journeys to the South East, causing congestion, generating emissions and taking money out of the region. The New York route is thriving, but it would be prudent to look ahead and make sure it stays that way."
Bob Schumacher, senior UK director for Continental Airlines, said: "We're very happy with the number of people using the New York service................and the message is simply for people to keep using it for it to remain successful."
It's not the first time I have expressed concern at the number of people, especially business passengers, still using LHR when they could fly locally, and the MD's remarks about air miles and corporate deals are certainly valid.
However, I have no doubt that there is still some ignorance in the Bristol region about the CO route's existence.
My son is in a fairly senior position with a US giant and his flights are normally arranged by a specialist company on behalf of his employer. He was flying regularly across The Pond from LHR and was getting fed up with it, especially the return road journey to the West Country after an overnight eastbound.
Two and a half years ago he asked me about connecting via AMS which was something he knew I had done from BRS down the years. I said, "Why don't you use the non-stop Continental flight to Newark and fly on from there?" He was unware of the CO flight then and the 'specialist' flight company had never suggested it.
He told them he wanted to use the CO and since then has used it on a number of occasions (he's lucky enough to ride in the front passenger cabin), so much so that he had enough air miles to take his family to the US on a leisure break on the flight in business first.
I know both the airport and airline have publicised the route pretty well but it seems that more needs to be done because I am sure there are others like my son who would use it if they knew about it.
I may be being too pessimistic but I take the MD's remarks as a clear warning that the future of the route is in some jeopardy unless businesses support it in greater numbers than hitherto.
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Well, by coincidence, in today's Bristol Evening Post web edition there is a story headlined 'Bristol Airport Could Axe New York Flight' (surely the airline would do the axing not the airport, but that's the press for you I suppose) in which BRS MD, Paul Kehoe, expresses his concern that not enough local business passengers are supporting the service and instead are using LHR. He calls on them "to use or lose" the New York route.
Mr Kehoe blames 'inertia' and is quoted in the newspaper report, "Whether it is because of corporate deals done at a national or international level, or individual decisions based on building up air miles with Heathrow-based airlines, the end result is the same - unnecessary road or rail journeys to the South East, causing congestion, generating emissions and taking money out of the region. The New York route is thriving, but it would be prudent to look ahead and make sure it stays that way."
Bob Schumacher, senior UK director for Continental Airlines, said: "We're very happy with the number of people using the New York service................and the message is simply for people to keep using it for it to remain successful."
It's not the first time I have expressed concern at the number of people, especially business passengers, still using LHR when they could fly locally, and the MD's remarks about air miles and corporate deals are certainly valid.
However, I have no doubt that there is still some ignorance in the Bristol region about the CO route's existence.
My son is in a fairly senior position with a US giant and his flights are normally arranged by a specialist company on behalf of his employer. He was flying regularly across The Pond from LHR and was getting fed up with it, especially the return road journey to the West Country after an overnight eastbound.
Two and a half years ago he asked me about connecting via AMS which was something he knew I had done from BRS down the years. I said, "Why don't you use the non-stop Continental flight to Newark and fly on from there?" He was unware of the CO flight then and the 'specialist' flight company had never suggested it.
He told them he wanted to use the CO and since then has used it on a number of occasions (he's lucky enough to ride in the front passenger cabin), so much so that he had enough air miles to take his family to the US on a leisure break on the flight in business first.
I know both the airport and airline have publicised the route pretty well but it seems that more needs to be done because I am sure there are others like my son who would use it if they knew about it.
I may be being too pessimistic but I take the MD's remarks as a clear warning that the future of the route is in some jeopardy unless businesses support it in greater numbers than hitherto.
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Very interesting report, and I have to agree with the points raised. The corporate traveler want their miles. Hopefully with the impending move from Skyteam to Star, this may sway some of those mile collectors to think about their alliance to one particular carrier.
From a personal point of view, it would be extremely sad to see this service go. As someone who has supported the flight, via my own travel agency and have worked on trying to get 'bums on seats' I would be a little disappointed if in fact the airport did get rid of the service. Surely if it is making the airline and airport money, why get rid? I just hope we are not going to see the alienation of full service carriers, in favour of the loco's...The day the airport got the route was a good one and it would be sad to see it go. If in fact the pax make up is more US then they are surely spending their money in the region...Not a bad thing I would have thought!
Lets just hope that some of the people the report was aimed at sit up and listen!
From a personal point of view, it would be extremely sad to see this service go. As someone who has supported the flight, via my own travel agency and have worked on trying to get 'bums on seats' I would be a little disappointed if in fact the airport did get rid of the service. Surely if it is making the airline and airport money, why get rid? I just hope we are not going to see the alienation of full service carriers, in favour of the loco's...The day the airport got the route was a good one and it would be sad to see it go. If in fact the pax make up is more US then they are surely spending their money in the region...Not a bad thing I would have thought!
Lets just hope that some of the people the report was aimed at sit up and listen!
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The report stated the route carried just over 7,000 passengers in the four weeks to the 7th June. This would equate to an average of 134 per flight. The route has escaped the first round of Continental's european cut backs (Athens and Cologne being dropped) so they must consider it viable and profitable at this stage. I wonder if the MD is firing a warning shot given the impending economic downturn. There will be less leisure flying so economy numbers will drop and therefore premium/business passengers will become more important than they already are for the route to be retained. I agree that joining Star will make it a more attractive airline. It is a move that surprised me as it was reported only a few weeks ago that they were in discussions with BA/AA about transatlantic cooperation.
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I wonder if the MD is firing a warning shot given the impending economic downturn.........economy numbers will drop and therefore premium/business passengers will become more important than they already are for the route to be retained.
I've emailed the South West Regional Development Agency today asking what they are doing to try to get local businesses to support the route in greater numbers.
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CO's BRS - EWR flight
To follow on from M.V. -
and no doubt the South West Regional Development Agency said "What daily flight ?"
Personally I 'would' have used CO for my next transatlantic flight other than the mileage accrual, so am trying out USAir.
With oil pushing $140+ a barrel there are going to be a number of belts being tightened, and not just trans Atlantic flights that will come under the watchful eye of the bean counters.
and no doubt the South West Regional Development Agency said "What daily flight ?"
Personally I 'would' have used CO for my next transatlantic flight other than the mileage accrual, so am trying out USAir.
With oil pushing $140+ a barrel there are going to be a number of belts being tightened, and not just trans Atlantic flights that will come under the watchful eye of the bean counters.
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easyjet winter 2008/9
All bookable and I wonder if anybody has done any analysis? MV?
I had a quick look at Monday and I seemed to find work for nine
aircraft but was left with one odd" flight, which did not match the
rest of the schedule.
This was one of the evening flights where ten seemed to be required.
It was the MXP which stuck out but it may be just me.
Geneva was similar to East Mids with Mo, Wed, Fri, Sun in November
but it is double daily on the weekdays I checked. INS & GNB are bookable late December onwards and the usual suspects cancelled for winter such as MRS, LRH, BIQ and SPU.
Is nine based about the same as last year, as I can't remember the
number of easy based at BRS last winter?
Pete
I had a quick look at Monday and I seemed to find work for nine
aircraft but was left with one odd" flight, which did not match the
rest of the schedule.
This was one of the evening flights where ten seemed to be required.
It was the MXP which stuck out but it may be just me.
Geneva was similar to East Mids with Mo, Wed, Fri, Sun in November
but it is double daily on the weekdays I checked. INS & GNB are bookable late December onwards and the usual suspects cancelled for winter such as MRS, LRH, BIQ and SPU.
Is nine based about the same as last year, as I can't remember the
number of easy based at BRS last winter?
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Could the unusual schedule you found for Milan be that they will use an MXP based unit?
they are planning to make MXP one of their largest bases with circa 14 units based there by next Summer if things go to plan.
they are planning to make MXP one of their largest bases with circa 14 units based there by next Summer if things go to plan.
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easyJet winter 2008/9
Hello Pete.
I've had a look through the proposed timetable for this coming winter and there is a need for a minimum of ten based aircraft.
I've based this on the post-Christmas period when all the ski flights will be in operation and on most days there are ten departures before 8.30, excluding the NCL and BFS that are normally operated from those bases. In addition, the timetable calls for ten at other parts of most days.
At present there are eleven based 319s at BRS with, I believe, a twelfth due for the peak summer period (someone might be able to confirm if it is still coming), so it appears they might not need the eleventh for this winter as things stand at the moment. There were ten last winter.
You mentioned GVA. For much of the ski-season period easy will again operate 19 weekly return flights from BRS to GVA, as they did last winter: double-daily M, Tu, W and Th; 3 x daily F and Sun; 5 x daily on Saturdays in Feb and March.
As for MXP, the timings suggest it will still be operated by a BRS-based aircraft, and it's still going daily against the FR daily Bergamo.
I've had a look through the proposed timetable for this coming winter and there is a need for a minimum of ten based aircraft.
I've based this on the post-Christmas period when all the ski flights will be in operation and on most days there are ten departures before 8.30, excluding the NCL and BFS that are normally operated from those bases. In addition, the timetable calls for ten at other parts of most days.
At present there are eleven based 319s at BRS with, I believe, a twelfth due for the peak summer period (someone might be able to confirm if it is still coming), so it appears they might not need the eleventh for this winter as things stand at the moment. There were ten last winter.
You mentioned GVA. For much of the ski-season period easy will again operate 19 weekly return flights from BRS to GVA, as they did last winter: double-daily M, Tu, W and Th; 3 x daily F and Sun; 5 x daily on Saturdays in Feb and March.
As for MXP, the timings suggest it will still be operated by a BRS-based aircraft, and it's still going daily against the FR daily Bergamo.
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We certainly seem to be heading for a very hard time in aviation, and it's bound to hit Bristol to some extent.
I'm not sure how good the FRA numbers are. I've done the route a number of times, and 60% load is my experience - barring on Monday morning when it was completely overbooked. But will it grow? AMS and CDG also benefit from being tourist destination, which is not really the case for FRA. Will LH be happy with 60% or can they raise fares? I'm finding it invaluable, but that's just me.
The EWR route must be close to the edge. The pricing on TATLs is suicidal, and has been for a while. Will CO moving to *A really make a material difference ex-BRS? (It will for me, as I' *G, but hardly a convincing business case!).
What I really wonder about is EZY and FR. What I see is lot of leisure travellers going to lots of leisure destinations. Is that travel discretionary, and how much will survive a downturn? Will there still be 11 A319's in orange next year?
I'm not sure how good the FRA numbers are. I've done the route a number of times, and 60% load is my experience - barring on Monday morning when it was completely overbooked. But will it grow? AMS and CDG also benefit from being tourist destination, which is not really the case for FRA. Will LH be happy with 60% or can they raise fares? I'm finding it invaluable, but that's just me.
The EWR route must be close to the edge. The pricing on TATLs is suicidal, and has been for a while. Will CO moving to *A really make a material difference ex-BRS? (It will for me, as I' *G, but hardly a convincing business case!).
What I really wonder about is EZY and FR. What I see is lot of leisure travellers going to lots of leisure destinations. Is that travel discretionary, and how much will survive a downturn? Will there still be 11 A319's in orange next year?