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bristolflyer,
Can you clear up something?
According to a long-standing unofficial BRS website that has often seemed well-informed in the past the plan is to build holding lounges beneath the proposed walkway.
If that is the case one might think that the airport will have a fight on its hands to get it through as permitted development as holding lounges (even remote ones) might easily be construed as an extension of the terminal building floor area.
As far as I can ascertain it is Part 18 of the Town and Country Planning (General Permitted Development) Order of 1995 that allows certain things to be done as permitted development without the need for planning permission. Such developments must be on operational land and be connected with the provision of services or facilities at the airport but such matters as a runway extension, new terminal or extension of an existing terminal (beyond the permitted percentage increase in size) fall outside the scope of the Order.
Since the terminal was built the check-in and baggage reclaim areas within the terminal have been extended by the maximum 15% of floor area allowed by the above Order as permitted development.
According to one local councillor, the local authority is taking legal advice on the situation and no doubt BRS’s planning and legal advisers are content with their client’s proposal. It does seem therefore that in the end the lawyers will make money and a delay will ensue. I suppose it might be looked upon as a warm-up for the major planning battles ahead.
Can you clear up something?
According to a long-standing unofficial BRS website that has often seemed well-informed in the past the plan is to build holding lounges beneath the proposed walkway.
If that is the case one might think that the airport will have a fight on its hands to get it through as permitted development as holding lounges (even remote ones) might easily be construed as an extension of the terminal building floor area.
As far as I can ascertain it is Part 18 of the Town and Country Planning (General Permitted Development) Order of 1995 that allows certain things to be done as permitted development without the need for planning permission. Such developments must be on operational land and be connected with the provision of services or facilities at the airport but such matters as a runway extension, new terminal or extension of an existing terminal (beyond the permitted percentage increase in size) fall outside the scope of the Order.
Since the terminal was built the check-in and baggage reclaim areas within the terminal have been extended by the maximum 15% of floor area allowed by the above Order as permitted development.
According to one local councillor, the local authority is taking legal advice on the situation and no doubt BRS’s planning and legal advisers are content with their client’s proposal. It does seem therefore that in the end the lawyers will make money and a delay will ensue. I suppose it might be looked upon as a warm-up for the major planning battles ahead.
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MV, You are correct that the airport was allowed to expand the terminal by up to 15% of the original floorspace without planning permission. They have used this quota with the check-in extension and the extra baggage reclaim area. The airport must show that the walkway is an operational structure, built on operational land and does not increase capacity. An operational structure is exactly what it says, it aids one of the basic functions of the airport of getting passengers from point A to point B. The terminal is not an operational structure because it contains many other areas, retail for example, superfluous to the airport's primary aim of getting passengers and baggage from drop-off to the plane. The current walkway was constructed as an operational structure. In order to achieve the aim of construction without planning it will have to be a simple walkway with nothing inside it. The plan is to have holding areas at each stand at ground level. The passengers would walk out of the terminal on the mezzanine level from the new walkway between Burger King and the rest of the terminal. They would continue to the stand when they would drop down via stairs and lift to ground level. At this point there will be a holding area. The whole building will not be able to have seating, save for a handful for disabled passengers, it cannot have any immigration control, no retail outlets (even vending machines). It will be a transit shed getting passengers from A to B without the need for a bus. Passengers will be called forward to their departure gate only when the plane is ready for boarding and not before. They will not be able to go to the gate to wait as one does at Heathrow. The walkway will simply remove the queues from between the seats in the main departure lounge. There cannot be seating areas in the holding areas because this will increase capacity. One suspects there will be a series of movable barriers such as is found in the immigration hall to control the flow of passengers in the holding area as they queue to board. If the design is more comprehensive than a very basic walkway with holding areas where passengers stand it will need planning because it will fall outside the scope of Permitted Development. I agree that this is going to be the opening skirmish of a long planning road.
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The airport reached a milestone in March with over 6 million passengers handled in a 12-month period for the first time.
CAA provisional stats show the figure as 6,038,763, an increase of 5.7% over the same period last year. The passenger increase was achieved with 10% fewer flights in the 12 months in question.
As for March, the airport saw over 506,000 passengers, up 12% on March 2007.
Regarding the proposed expansion of the airport, the Bristol Evening Post carried a story today concerning a young man who has started a web site in support of expansion. His name is the same as the username of an occasional poster to this thread. Don't know if it is the same person. Perhaps he will let us know if it is.
Good luck to his venture, anyway. Local newspaper and television polls in Bristol in the past have shown a significant majority of 'ordinary people' (as opposed to the publicity-hungry activists who are anti airport) to be in favour of expansion - around 70%. It will be useful to have a focus to counteract the views of the SBAE and its fellow travellers.
Many thanks, bristolflyer.
Your description does make the walkway sound much less a terminal extension than the way it was described in the web site I mentioned. No doubt there will still be much argument between the ‘opposing sides’ about its planning status though.
CAA provisional stats show the figure as 6,038,763, an increase of 5.7% over the same period last year. The passenger increase was achieved with 10% fewer flights in the 12 months in question.
As for March, the airport saw over 506,000 passengers, up 12% on March 2007.
Regarding the proposed expansion of the airport, the Bristol Evening Post carried a story today concerning a young man who has started a web site in support of expansion. His name is the same as the username of an occasional poster to this thread. Don't know if it is the same person. Perhaps he will let us know if it is.
Good luck to his venture, anyway. Local newspaper and television polls in Bristol in the past have shown a significant majority of 'ordinary people' (as opposed to the publicity-hungry activists who are anti airport) to be in favour of expansion - around 70%. It will be useful to have a focus to counteract the views of the SBAE and its fellow travellers.
Many thanks, bristolflyer.
Your description does make the walkway sound much less a terminal extension than the way it was described in the web site I mentioned. No doubt there will still be much argument between the ‘opposing sides’ about its planning status though.
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Checked out their web page....A320 
Thought we'd be in for something interesting.(Tu-154 anyone??)
With reference to MV's comment on expansion at the airport and the web site in support of expansion there is also one on 'facebook'.
Totally agree with comments that the vast majority of 'normal' Bristolians would support expansion, but as usual the numpties and vocal NIMBYs get all the attention.
Shame we could get all of those against the expansion to agree to limit their future travel to horse and cart.
As an aside can anyone explain why Brussels Airlines have cancelled the flights on 2nd May??
I'm now having to take a trip up the M5 to catch flight!!!
Thought we'd be in for something interesting.(Tu-154 anyone??)
With reference to MV's comment on expansion at the airport and the web site in support of expansion there is also one on 'facebook'.
Totally agree with comments that the vast majority of 'normal' Bristolians would support expansion, but as usual the numpties and vocal NIMBYs get all the attention.
Shame we could get all of those against the expansion to agree to limit their future travel to horse and cart.
As an aside can anyone explain why Brussels Airlines have cancelled the flights on 2nd May??
I'm now having to take a trip up the M5 to catch flight!!!
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Koral Blue hey....hmmmm dont think i'll be booking with Thomas Cook to Sharm this year then
Stick to the trusty FCA 757's or the XLA 737 me thinks, still at least it's something new for the spotters
Stick to the trusty FCA 757's or the XLA 737 me thinks, still at least it's something new for the spotters
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Regarding the proposed expansion of the airport, the Bristol Evening Post carried a story today concerning a young man who has started a web site in support of expansion. His name is the same as the username of an occasional poster to this thread. Don't know if it is the same person. Perhaps he will let us know if it is.
The group was originally started about a year ago with just basic informational website called Bristol Spotting, but then moved on to BISON (Bristol International Supporters Group Online). Me and Simon Luckin are now running the group, working with the airport and trying to provide a positive outlook on the airport, for people who support it and also for the spotters.
Discussion board and news are available on the website, and to show our support for the airport we have chartered an aircraft from Air Southwest in August for an hours pleasure flight above the South West.
We want as many people to book as possible.
Im glad that the group and the article have gone down well, just wait for a few comments now from SBAE.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv..._author_id=502
Not happy with that!!! 1 hour 40 minutesin Ezy queu-yes hight of summer, but not at the moment-in fact 1 day this week-first wave you were only waiting for 5 minutes.
Not happy with that!!! 1 hour 40 minutesin Ezy queu-yes hight of summer, but not at the moment-in fact 1 day this week-first wave you were only waiting for 5 minutes.
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I think the Daily Mail's correspondent was referring to her return journey, from the cowshed at CDG laughably known as Terminal 3. 1hr40 waiting there seems about right. The one and only time that I have been daft enough to take EZY to CDG (and this was in the "no-AF" period), I endured a painfully slow queue in 30C heat, during which time it became that most of the delay was caused by passengers flying to Morocco who were trying to take every personal possesion with them, personally.
Maybe she should pay that little bit extra, and fly with AF?
LCCs - you get what you pay for. (And with Ryanair, I suspect you occasionally come away with an added sense of despair at the world, humanity and the failure of the open-market economic model).
(I did also note that she quoted the checkin lady as saying "No, you hev to pay over there," which suggests a mimicing of an Eastern European accent. I'm sure the Daily Mail or its journalists have no preconceived view of immigrant workers).
Maybe she should pay that little bit extra, and fly with AF?
LCCs - you get what you pay for. (And with Ryanair, I suspect you occasionally come away with an added sense of despair at the world, humanity and the failure of the open-market economic model).
(I did also note that she quoted the checkin lady as saying "No, you hev to pay over there," which suggests a mimicing of an Eastern European accent. I'm sure the Daily Mail or its journalists have no preconceived view of immigrant workers).
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Easyjet no longer use Terminal 3. They use the much nicer Terminal 2B instead.
But, and I stress this, you pays your money and takes your choice. What annoys me is when people choose to fly LCCs, then moan about it. If you want to be treated with more perks and finesse, then pay for it. I won't fly FR (excepting BRS-DUB, because you have to be sensible sometimes) because I value myself, my time and my dignity above a 99p fare, and I find MO'Ls attitude abhorrent. But if someone else wants to, fair enough.
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But, and I stress this, you pays your money and takes your choice. What annoys me is when people choose to fly LCCs, then moan about it.
Couldn't agree moreWell done Daniel, excellent site!!
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Not sure how many people picked up on this one, but LH offering NQY-DUS weekly from June, Seems a strange route choice by LH, thought it was a charter at first but is available to book on LH website, pity BRS couldnt of got this one as well as the FRA, be intresting to see how it goes for them.
Not sure what the german holiday market would make of Cornwall, I guess there must be something behind it, if it doesnt go well I wonder if they may consider moving service to BRS to try and capture the ex BA business market?
Not sure what the german holiday market would make of Cornwall, I guess there must be something behind it, if it doesnt go well I wonder if they may consider moving service to BRS to try and capture the ex BA business market?