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So the long haul destinations are gradually being depleted; all we have at LGW (and I dont mind being corrected) are MCO, Tampa and the Caribbean routes. How long will it be before these also move down to T5?
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T5 is now operating close to capacity
I think not.
Capacity is there. And more is coming with T5C.
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T5, even with the 2 satellites, was never going to be adequate for all BA's growth needs. Hence their limited additional use of T3 which will probably grow over time. One proposal in the late 80s was for T 3 and T5 to be fully linked by a large cut and cover trench with underground people movers and backup walkways as well as transfer baggage belts and backup roadway for tug drawn trolleys so that in effect they were one terminal with 2 entrances,- one in Central area (T3) and the other in T5. One day something of that sort will happen but it would have bee cheaper and easier to do at the outset.
Now that is concerning, if true. We're in a deep recession, BA traffic figures are seriously down, yet T5, portrayed as the holy grail for BA's future, is full? If that is true then BA's strategy is seriously flawed.
I think not.
Capacity is there. And more is coming with T5C.
I think not.
Capacity is there. And more is coming with T5C.
The combination of the extra distance of T5 from London, and the longer time taken getting through the terminal because all destinations are mixed together, must have made a considerable hit in BA's domestic carryings. We have several in our office who say that transferring to BMI on the Scotland routes now saves them half an hour or more each way to/from London.
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I think not.
Capacity is there. And more is coming with T5C.
Capacity is there. And more is coming with T5C.
Are you aware that BA operate to a number of destinations from T3 because there is not enough space in T5? It has long been known that T5 would never be big enough able to handle the entire BA operation. An unfortunate consequence of the space constraints at LHR.
One proposal in the late 80s was for T 3 and T5 to be fully linked by a large cut and cover trench with underground people movers and backup walkways as well as transfer baggage belts and backup roadway for tug drawn trolleys so that in effect they were one terminal with 2 entrances,- one in Central area (T3) and the other in T5. One day something of that sort will happen but it would have bee cheaper and easier to do at the outset.
The combination of the extra distance of T5 from London, and the longer time taken getting through the terminal because all destinations are mixed together, must have made a considerable hit in BA's domestic carryings. We have several in our office who say that transferring to BMI on the Scotland routes now saves them half an hour or more each way to/from London.
You are also ignoring the fact that a substantial proportion of BA's domestic pax are connecting onwards. Don't think they're going to be complaining that (virtually) all destinations are under one roof.
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Chaps my apologies for suggesting T5C would add capacity. I meant people (which it should help with), not movements, and yes, I see that coaching to T5C stands is happening now.
What then is BA's strategy when the good times return? Moving flights from LGW will protect slots and save costs in the short term. But where then does the future growth come from? Not LHR, even with T3 integration. Not LGW no doubt. Madrid?
What then is BA's strategy when the good times return? Moving flights from LGW will protect slots and save costs in the short term. But where then does the future growth come from? Not LHR, even with T3 integration. Not LGW no doubt. Madrid?
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The combination of the extra distance of T5 from London, and the longer time taken getting through the terminal because all destinations are mixed together, must have made a considerable hit in BA's domestic carryings.
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BMI like all airlines is seriously struggling for revenue hence the size downgrading to ERJs (more to come i hear).
If you are to use heathrow then T5 outshines all the other terminals by a mile-shorthaul to longhaul transfers are a breeze and the baggage system is now up there with the best of them.
If you are to use heathrow then T5 outshines all the other terminals by a mile-shorthaul to longhaul transfers are a breeze and the baggage system is now up there with the best of them.
BBC NEWS | Business | BA to miss 2008 revenue targets
March passenger numbers 2.61 Million down by 8.2% - Easter in 2008 will impact on overall numbers.
Premium passengers down 13%, overall yields down by 6.4% and forecasting of a full year Operating loss of £150 million and this excludes £75 million severance payoffs.
March passenger numbers 2.61 Million down by 8.2% - Easter in 2008 will impact on overall numbers.
Premium passengers down 13%, overall yields down by 6.4% and forecasting of a full year Operating loss of £150 million and this excludes £75 million severance payoffs.
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Paid-off BA bosses get re-employed - mirror.co.uk
OK its from the Daily Mirror, but could be interesting for fuller investigation
OK its from the Daily Mirror, but could be interesting for fuller investigation
Originally Posted by Skipness One Echo
It's 5 minutes more and less stressfull than T1
Just because the HEx takes 2 mintes from starting from its platform at T123 to stopping at its platform at T5, doesn't mean the overall travel time is only up by 2 minutes. Even the Piccadilly Line only has half the number of its trains to T5 compared to the numbers that used to go to T1.
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WHBM it was T1 / 2 / 3 known as Heathrow Central, not just T1. You are being misleading. I might remind you that flying through T1 now means you ARE forced to go through the shopping centre that is the International Dep lounge as domestic search was removed. There is now another security check after security before you are allowed access to the old domestic pier. It's just as long a walk as T5 mate.
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You are hardly walking 'through' the shopping area in T1 to get to domestic departures. I always manage to quickly brush past WH Smith and then I am out of the shopping jungle! I have never been forced to go through the shopping area!
T1 is at times, far easier than T5, providing you know where you are going!
The second security check at T1 is done at T5 for domestic departures as well. However since you are already at the gate when this is done at T5, then perhaps we don't associate that wait as being linked to security since we are waiting at the gate anyway!
T1 is at times, far easier than T5, providing you know where you are going!
The second security check at T1 is done at T5 for domestic departures as well. However since you are already at the gate when this is done at T5, then perhaps we don't associate that wait as being linked to security since we are waiting at the gate anyway!
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And T1 has a smaller taxi time to the runways that are the most used, 27L, 27R. So the odd minute gained at T5 can be lost in the 20 minute line of a/c you will be in before take off.
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Just because the HEx takes 2 mintes from starting from its platform at T123 to stopping at its platform at T5, doesn't mean the overall travel time is only up by 2 minutes. Even the Piccadilly Line only has half the number of its trains to T5 compared to the numbers that used to go to T1.
If you get off the train at Heathrow Central, you may have arrived at the relevant station a couple of minutes earlier, but you then have to get over to T1. Alternatively, stay on the train and when you get out at T5, take the lift direct to departures level. Overall there's barely anything in it.
When T5 was designed, there was a choice between the old T1 setup of a separate domestic and international area, or letting domestic pax mix with international to get the full range of airside facilities. BA/BAA went with the latter. Clearly there are going to be pluses and minuses of both - but for an airline like BA with a lot of premium customers even travelling on the domestic routes, having full access to the lounges for all is a major incentive to doing it the T5 way.
T1 has a smaller taxi time to the runways that are the most used, 27L, 27R. So the odd minute gained at T5 can be lost in the 20 minute line of a/c you will be in before take off.
Is there a BA Timetable out there?
I see that BA have ceased publishing a PDF timetable on their website. (Interestingly OneWorld partner CX have restarted publishing - I picked one up at HKG last week.) I could get details from the OAG but does anyone know if there are details anywhere on the web (some enthusiasts site - they have their uses) which I could download?
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I used to have the BA Desktop timetable application on my laptop, but I noticed recently that it was no longer updating. A quick visit to ba.com revealed that it was discontinued. However, there was a link to the Oneworld timetables, which lands you here:
oneworld - Downloadable Timetables
You can get a PDF copy of the timetables, but there are also downloadable tools for various types of hardware. I downloaded the desktop version and it is almost exactly like the old BA Desktop Timetable! Especially if you set the filter fo BA flights only...
oneworld - Downloadable Timetables
You can get a PDF copy of the timetables, but there are also downloadable tools for various types of hardware. I downloaded the desktop version and it is almost exactly like the old BA Desktop Timetable! Especially if you set the filter fo BA flights only...