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The BE route from LGW had nowhere near the connection possibilities (there were no BA codeshares on BE routes out of LGW at that time) as LHR-LBA will, and still achieved reasonable loads - beancounters at Exeter stopped it and the DUS route because of punitive charges against smaller aircraft (DH4s, AT7s) at LGW. Apologies for that little digression...
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Makes you wonder how a LBA-LGW would do now, either on BE metal with the BA flight code or a twice daily on a BA aircraft to offer onward connections through the LGW longhaul network.
BA will have lounge in place at LBA, as well as ground handling, fuel etc, so why not make use of the station to offer flights into both of the BA mainline London airports ?
Same applies to ABZ, NCL etc etc etc
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BA will have lounge in place at LBA, as well as ground handling, fuel etc, so why not make use of the station to offer flights into both of the BA mainline London airports ?
Same applies to ABZ, NCL etc etc etc
cs
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Makes you wonder how a LBA-LGW would do now, either on BE metal with the BA flight code or a twice daily on a BA aircraft to offer onward connections through the LGW longhaul network.
BA will have lounge in place at LBA, as well as ground handling, fuel etc, so why not make use of the station to offer flights into both of the BA mainline London airports ?
Same applies to ABZ, NCL etc etc etc
cs
BA will have lounge in place at LBA, as well as ground handling, fuel etc, so why not make use of the station to offer flights into both of the BA mainline London airports ?
Same applies to ABZ, NCL etc etc etc
cs
IMHO, BA no longer really has the breadth of network in LGW (even long haul) to justify extensive domestic feed (I think they tried hubbing there before
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Why was BA8081 from BHD to LHR so severely delayed this evening?
Outbound flight left Heathrow 2 hours late. No idea why.
Why was BA8081 from BHD to LHR so severely delayed this evening?
Outbound flight left Heathrow 2 hours late. No idea why.
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Quote: "Makes you wonder how a LBA-LGW would do now, either on BE metal with the BA flight code or a twice daily on a BA aircraft to offer onward connections through the LGW longhaul network.
BA will have lounge in place at LBA, as well as ground handling, fuel etc, so why not make use of the station to offer flights into both of the BA mainline London airports ?
Same applies to ABZ, NCL etc etc etc
cs"
BA used to run several UK domestic routes to/from LGW. They've been steadily reduced over the last few years. Where there are two "London" destinations, it tends to be LHR and LCY rather than LHR and LGW now.
Quote: "BE haven't really been expanding in LGW and one major reason is the flat-rate pricing policy of the airport operator which disadvantages smaller aircraft in favour of larger ones. For example, the 2011-12 fees and charges (sorry, link to 2012-13 seems to be broken) shows that a peak-time landing will cost about £1350 (independent of aircraft size) which is a bit steep if you're trying to fly a route which only needs a 78-seater or a 118-seater."
As a matter of interest, would BE pay similar at LHR, or is it a lot higher?
If it's similar, maybe it's the eye-watering costs of slots that would keep them (and similar shorthaul carriers) out of LHR?
It seems a strange policy for LGW management to try and squeeze out an important tenant. Perhaps LGW management think that BE has nowhere else to go. To an extent, they're right.
BA will have lounge in place at LBA, as well as ground handling, fuel etc, so why not make use of the station to offer flights into both of the BA mainline London airports ?
Same applies to ABZ, NCL etc etc etc
cs"
BA used to run several UK domestic routes to/from LGW. They've been steadily reduced over the last few years. Where there are two "London" destinations, it tends to be LHR and LCY rather than LHR and LGW now.
Quote: "BE haven't really been expanding in LGW and one major reason is the flat-rate pricing policy of the airport operator which disadvantages smaller aircraft in favour of larger ones. For example, the 2011-12 fees and charges (sorry, link to 2012-13 seems to be broken) shows that a peak-time landing will cost about £1350 (independent of aircraft size) which is a bit steep if you're trying to fly a route which only needs a 78-seater or a 118-seater."
As a matter of interest, would BE pay similar at LHR, or is it a lot higher?
If it's similar, maybe it's the eye-watering costs of slots that would keep them (and similar shorthaul carriers) out of LHR?
It seems a strange policy for LGW management to try and squeeze out an important tenant. Perhaps LGW management think that BE has nowhere else to go. To an extent, they're right.
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New aircraft "list" prices work the same way.
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You can't trust BA's statements on which flights make/lose money
For several generations they claim to lose money on LHR-ABZ - this is where half the passengers are flying on company tickets and the return fare is circa £480
For several generations they claim to lose money on LHR-ABZ - this is where half the passengers are flying on company tickets and the return fare is circa £480
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KLM/KLC your surely referring to.
Even they look at the balance of connecting over P2P and there is evidence that when the balance is wrong overly reliant on connecting with little P2P individual routes can and do become unviable
NOTE suspension of LPL and transfer of Southampton to third party risk directly on these grounds.
NWi/MME/HUY/ABZ all survive because of lucative OIL contracts rather than local catchment area feed alone.
Other major points MAN/BHX/BRS continue to have significant P2P in ADDITION to transfers.
A I said the domestic legs are far from a bl**dy taxi service and the new LBA will have targets and performance measurements set.
These will detail such things as balance of FULL Fare and third party interline traffic with in house connections.
If the route has too high a portion of connections (taxi service) and these slots can be more effectively used elsewhere those 525 seats each way may be sacrificed.
I want to believe the LHR-LBA_LHR services will be a success however my cynisism remains .
Even they look at the balance of connecting over P2P and there is evidence that when the balance is wrong overly reliant on connecting with little P2P individual routes can and do become unviable
NOTE suspension of LPL and transfer of Southampton to third party risk directly on these grounds.
NWi/MME/HUY/ABZ all survive because of lucative OIL contracts rather than local catchment area feed alone.
Other major points MAN/BHX/BRS continue to have significant P2P in ADDITION to transfers.
A I said the domestic legs are far from a bl**dy taxi service and the new LBA will have targets and performance measurements set.
These will detail such things as balance of FULL Fare and third party interline traffic with in house connections.
If the route has too high a portion of connections (taxi service) and these slots can be more effectively used elsewhere those 525 seats each way may be sacrificed.
I want to believe the LHR-LBA_LHR services will be a success however my cynisism remains .
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BA's W12/13 LHR Long/Midhaul Schedule changes
Over the past few weeks BA have made a number of changes to the W12/13 schedule. Here are the changes that BA have made so far for the W12/13 season which begins on the 28th October 2012.
As there are a large number of changes to the schedule I will post the changes in 3 separate post on this thread.
Schedule changes to North American destination are contained in this post. The next post will show the changes to destinations in the Middle East/Russia & Western Asia . This is followed by the changes to all other destinations in post 3.
NOTE: The information shown is subject to further change in the weeks and months to come
Calgary - Flights operate daily on a 3 class 763ER. With the exception of the following dates when NO flights will operate: 13th, 17th, 20th, 24th & 27th November & 1st, 4th & 25th December
Chicago - 2 x daily 772ER will replace the previously planned 1 x 747 & 1 x 77W daily
Dallas Forth Worth - Planned 77W operation cancelled. Will continue to operate on a 747.
Denver - Daily 3 class 772ER will operate. With the exception of the following dates when NO flights will operate:19th, 23rd & 27th November & 04th & 24th December
Houston - Remains 2 x Daily. BA195/BA194 - 77W will replace the previously planned 4 class 772ER. BA197/BA196 - 747 will operate
Las Vegas - Daily 747 will operate. With the exception of the following dates when NO flights will operate: 20th, 23rd, 27th & 30th November & 4th, 12th, 17th, 19th, 24th, 25th & 31st December
Los Angeles - Will operate 2 x daily on a 747. BA279/BA278 that ops S12 will not operated W12/13
Miami - 3rd daily flight continues to operate during the winter schedule. 2 x daily 747 (BA207/BA209) & daily 4 class 772ER (BA205) will op instead of the previously planned 3 x daily 747 service.
New York (JFK) - Flights will continue to operate up to 8 x Daily. Flights will operate using on the following aircraft type. Ex LHR
BA117 - Daily 747
BA175 - Daily 747
BA113 - 5 x 77W & 2 x 4 class 772ER weekly (Will NOT operate between 03 FEB & 16FEB)
BA177 - Daily 4 class 772ER (Will NOT operate between 20 JAN & 03 FEB)
BA173 - Daily 747 (Will NOT operate between 30 DEC & 20JAN or 03 MAR to 30MAR)
BA115 - 5 x 747 & 1 x 4 class 772ER will operate (Will NOT operate 18FEB13 or 25FEB13)
BA179 - 1 x 747 & 6 x 4 Class 772ER weekly.
BA183 - 6 x weekly 747
New York (Newark) - Previously planned 747 operation will now not go ahead. Flights will operate 20 x weekly as follows: BA185/BA184 - Daily 4 class 772ER will operate, BA187/BA186 - 4 x 4 class 772ER & 2 x 3 class 763ER will operate & BA189/BA188 - Daily 4 class 772ER will operate
Philadelphia - A daily 4 class 772ER & daily 3 class 763ER will operate. With the exception of the following dates when BA069/BA068 will NOT operate: 23rd, 26th & 30th January, 2nd, 5th, 6th, 11th, 13th, 16th,17th,18th, 19th, 20th, 21st & 22nd February & 26th March.
Phoenix - Flights will increase in frequency from 6 x weekly to up to daily from 01DEC12. With the exception of the following dates when NO flight will operate: 18th, 19th, 22nd & 23rd November, 10th, 17th, 24th, 25th, 30th & 31st December, 15th, 22nd & 29th January & 5th February
San Diego - Daily 3 class 772ER will operate. With the exception of the following dates when NO flights will operate: 21st & 28th November, 24th & 31st December & 15th & 22nd January
Seattle - Daily 747 will operate. will operate. With the exception of the following dates when NO flights will operate: 12th, 15th, 16th, 19th, 22nd & 23rd November & 24th 25th December
San Francisco - 2 x Daily 747 will operate with the exception of the following flights on the following dates when NO flight will operate :
BA285/BA284 - 19th, 20th, 21st & 27th November & 06th March
BA287/BA286 - 22nd November, 25th, 26th, 27th, 28th, 29th, 30th & 31st December & 12th, 13th, 19th & 20th February
Toronto - Planned 747 replaced by a 4 class 772ER daily on BA093/BA092 rotations. BA099/BA098 ops daily on a 3 class 763ER
Washington - 2 x 4 class 772ER & 1 x 3 class 763ER will operate with the exception of the following flights on the following dates when NO flight will operate:
BA217/BA216 - 24th February
BA293/BA292 - 19th to 26th January
As there are a large number of changes to the schedule I will post the changes in 3 separate post on this thread.
Schedule changes to North American destination are contained in this post. The next post will show the changes to destinations in the Middle East/Russia & Western Asia . This is followed by the changes to all other destinations in post 3.
NOTE: The information shown is subject to further change in the weeks and months to come
NORTH AMERICA:
Calgary - Flights operate daily on a 3 class 763ER. With the exception of the following dates when NO flights will operate: 13th, 17th, 20th, 24th & 27th November & 1st, 4th & 25th December
Chicago - 2 x daily 772ER will replace the previously planned 1 x 747 & 1 x 77W daily
Dallas Forth Worth - Planned 77W operation cancelled. Will continue to operate on a 747.
Denver - Daily 3 class 772ER will operate. With the exception of the following dates when NO flights will operate:19th, 23rd & 27th November & 04th & 24th December
Houston - Remains 2 x Daily. BA195/BA194 - 77W will replace the previously planned 4 class 772ER. BA197/BA196 - 747 will operate
Las Vegas - Daily 747 will operate. With the exception of the following dates when NO flights will operate: 20th, 23rd, 27th & 30th November & 4th, 12th, 17th, 19th, 24th, 25th & 31st December
Los Angeles - Will operate 2 x daily on a 747. BA279/BA278 that ops S12 will not operated W12/13
Miami - 3rd daily flight continues to operate during the winter schedule. 2 x daily 747 (BA207/BA209) & daily 4 class 772ER (BA205) will op instead of the previously planned 3 x daily 747 service.
New York (JFK) - Flights will continue to operate up to 8 x Daily. Flights will operate using on the following aircraft type. Ex LHR
BA117 - Daily 747
BA175 - Daily 747
BA113 - 5 x 77W & 2 x 4 class 772ER weekly (Will NOT operate between 03 FEB & 16FEB)
BA177 - Daily 4 class 772ER (Will NOT operate between 20 JAN & 03 FEB)
BA173 - Daily 747 (Will NOT operate between 30 DEC & 20JAN or 03 MAR to 30MAR)
BA115 - 5 x 747 & 1 x 4 class 772ER will operate (Will NOT operate 18FEB13 or 25FEB13)
BA179 - 1 x 747 & 6 x 4 Class 772ER weekly.
BA183 - 6 x weekly 747
New York (Newark) - Previously planned 747 operation will now not go ahead. Flights will operate 20 x weekly as follows: BA185/BA184 - Daily 4 class 772ER will operate, BA187/BA186 - 4 x 4 class 772ER & 2 x 3 class 763ER will operate & BA189/BA188 - Daily 4 class 772ER will operate
Philadelphia - A daily 4 class 772ER & daily 3 class 763ER will operate. With the exception of the following dates when BA069/BA068 will NOT operate: 23rd, 26th & 30th January, 2nd, 5th, 6th, 11th, 13th, 16th,17th,18th, 19th, 20th, 21st & 22nd February & 26th March.
Phoenix - Flights will increase in frequency from 6 x weekly to up to daily from 01DEC12. With the exception of the following dates when NO flight will operate: 18th, 19th, 22nd & 23rd November, 10th, 17th, 24th, 25th, 30th & 31st December, 15th, 22nd & 29th January & 5th February
San Diego - Daily 3 class 772ER will operate. With the exception of the following dates when NO flights will operate: 21st & 28th November, 24th & 31st December & 15th & 22nd January
Seattle - Daily 747 will operate. will operate. With the exception of the following dates when NO flights will operate: 12th, 15th, 16th, 19th, 22nd & 23rd November & 24th 25th December
San Francisco - 2 x Daily 747 will operate with the exception of the following flights on the following dates when NO flight will operate :
BA285/BA284 - 19th, 20th, 21st & 27th November & 06th March
BA287/BA286 - 22nd November, 25th, 26th, 27th, 28th, 29th, 30th & 31st December & 12th, 13th, 19th & 20th February
Toronto - Planned 747 replaced by a 4 class 772ER daily on BA093/BA092 rotations. BA099/BA098 ops daily on a 3 class 763ER
Washington - 2 x 4 class 772ER & 1 x 3 class 763ER will operate with the exception of the following flights on the following dates when NO flight will operate:
BA217/BA216 - 24th February
BA293/BA292 - 19th to 26th January
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MIDDLE EAST, RUSSIA & WEST ASIA
NOTE
In some of the post below you will see a (see note) comment. This note is the following information which you may be interested in.
BA plan to introduce a new mid range product using 7 A321's (G-MEDF, G, J, L, M, N & U) that are currently operated by BD. At present the A321' s are configured in a 2 class configuration with 31 cradle seats in business and 118 seats in economy. BA plan to begin to begin to refurbish the A321's from October. The refurbishment will see BA replace the 31 cradle seats in business with 23 new lie flat seats in a 1-2 & 2-1 staggered configuration. The 118 seats in economy will be replaced with 131 new world traveller seats. BA's new Thales AVOD system will be fitted to these aircraft
Almaty - A former BD routes that BA have decided to continue to operate. Flights will operate 4 x weekly from LHR T1 on a 2 class A321 (see note) via Tbilisi
BA159 LHR 19:05 - 03:55(+1) TBS 04:55(+1) - ALA 10:30(+1) 321 247
BA158 ALA 12:25 - 14:30 TBS 15:30 - LHR 17:10 321 135
Amman - A former BD routes that BA have decided to continue to operate. Flights will operate daily from LHR T1 on a 2 class A321 (see note)
BA147 LHR 18:30 AMM 01:40(+1) 321 D
BA146 AMM 03:15 LHR 07:00 321 D
Beirut - A former BD routes that BA have decided to continue to operate. Flights will operate daily from LHR T1 on a 2 class A321 (see note)
BA149 LHR 14:25 BEY 21:10 321 D
BA148 BEY 09:30 LHR 12:50 321 D
Baku - One of the former BD routes that BA have decided to continue to operate. Flights will operate daily from LHR T1 on a 2 class A321 (see note).
BA145 LHR 20:15 GYD 05:35(+1) 321 x57
BA145 LHR 21:00 GYD 06:20(+1) 321 57
BA144 GYD 07:30 LHR 09:40 321 246
BA144 GYD 07:50 LHR 10:00 321 1
BA144 GYD 09:05 LHR 11:15 321 357
Cairo - A daily 2 class A321 (see note) will replace a daily 4 class 772ER from 04JAN13. Flights will move from LHR T5 to T1 from the same date. The change in operation aircraft type result in the following capacity changes in each cabin from 4th January.
F - Will no longer be available. BA offered up to 98 seats weekly prior to the equipment change
J - Weekly capacity will drop by just over 52% from 338 to 161 seats
W - Will no longer be available. BA offered up to 280 seats weekly prior to the equipment change
Y - Weekly capacity will increase by just over 5% from 868 seats to 917 seats per week
Dubai - Flights will operate up to 3 x daily with a 4 class 772ER replacing the 3 class 763ER that operated W11/12 on the BA105/BA104 rotation. BA105/BA104 - Will not operate from 07JAN13 to 03FEB13
Jeddah - Flights will continue to operate 5 x weekly. However operational days will change from x36 to x12.
Kuwait - Daily 747 will operate W12/13.
Moscow - Longhaul operation continues for W12/13 with the Hi-J 747 & 2 x 3 class 763ER daily introduced for S12 continuing to operate for W12/13
Riyadh - Capacity will be increased with a 747 replacing the 772ER and new schedule will be introduced for W12/13. Details of schedule change below:
Until 27th October
BA263 LHR 21:50 RUH 06:00(+1) 777 D
BA262 RUH 07:40 LHR 12:25 777 D
From 28th October
BA263 LHR 12:20 RUH 21:30 747 D
BA262 RUH 01:10 LHR 05:20 747 D
Tel Aviv - From 28th October flights will move from T5 to T1 and the 1 x daily 4 class 772ER and 1 x Daily 3 class 763ER operated in previous seasons will replaced by a up to 20 x weekly 2 class A321 service (see note). The change in operation aircraft type result in the following capacity changes in each cabin from 28th October
F - Will no longer be available. BA offered up to 98 seats weekly prior to the equipment change
J - Weekly capacity will drop by just over 9% from 504 to 460 seats
W - Will no longer be available. BA offered up to 448 seats weekly prior to the equipment change
Y - Weekly capacity will increase by just over 29% from 1855 seats to 2620 seats per week
Tbilisi - A former BD routes that BA have decided to continue to operate. Flights will operate daily from LHR T1 on a 2 class A321 (see note).
BA159 LHR 19:05 TBS 03:55 321(+1) 321 D
BA158 TBS 10:35 LHR 12:15 321 321 x135
BA158 TBS 15:30 LHR 17:10 321 321 135
Tehran - A former BD routes that BA have decided to continue to operate. Flights will operate 4 x weekly from LHR T1 on a 2 class A321 (see note) via Tbilisi
BA159 LHR 19:05 - 03:55(+1) TBS 04:55(+1) - IKA 05:50(+1) 321 x247
BA158 IKA 07:15 - 09:20 TBS 10:35 - LHR 12:15 321 x135
NOTE
In some of the post below you will see a (see note) comment. This note is the following information which you may be interested in.
BA plan to introduce a new mid range product using 7 A321's (G-MEDF, G, J, L, M, N & U) that are currently operated by BD. At present the A321' s are configured in a 2 class configuration with 31 cradle seats in business and 118 seats in economy. BA plan to begin to begin to refurbish the A321's from October. The refurbishment will see BA replace the 31 cradle seats in business with 23 new lie flat seats in a 1-2 & 2-1 staggered configuration. The 118 seats in economy will be replaced with 131 new world traveller seats. BA's new Thales AVOD system will be fitted to these aircraft
Almaty - A former BD routes that BA have decided to continue to operate. Flights will operate 4 x weekly from LHR T1 on a 2 class A321 (see note) via Tbilisi
BA159 LHR 19:05 - 03:55(+1) TBS 04:55(+1) - ALA 10:30(+1) 321 247
BA158 ALA 12:25 - 14:30 TBS 15:30 - LHR 17:10 321 135
Amman - A former BD routes that BA have decided to continue to operate. Flights will operate daily from LHR T1 on a 2 class A321 (see note)
BA147 LHR 18:30 AMM 01:40(+1) 321 D
BA146 AMM 03:15 LHR 07:00 321 D
Beirut - A former BD routes that BA have decided to continue to operate. Flights will operate daily from LHR T1 on a 2 class A321 (see note)
BA149 LHR 14:25 BEY 21:10 321 D
BA148 BEY 09:30 LHR 12:50 321 D
Baku - One of the former BD routes that BA have decided to continue to operate. Flights will operate daily from LHR T1 on a 2 class A321 (see note).
BA145 LHR 20:15 GYD 05:35(+1) 321 x57
BA145 LHR 21:00 GYD 06:20(+1) 321 57
BA144 GYD 07:30 LHR 09:40 321 246
BA144 GYD 07:50 LHR 10:00 321 1
BA144 GYD 09:05 LHR 11:15 321 357
Cairo - A daily 2 class A321 (see note) will replace a daily 4 class 772ER from 04JAN13. Flights will move from LHR T5 to T1 from the same date. The change in operation aircraft type result in the following capacity changes in each cabin from 4th January.
F - Will no longer be available. BA offered up to 98 seats weekly prior to the equipment change
J - Weekly capacity will drop by just over 52% from 338 to 161 seats
W - Will no longer be available. BA offered up to 280 seats weekly prior to the equipment change
Y - Weekly capacity will increase by just over 5% from 868 seats to 917 seats per week
Dubai - Flights will operate up to 3 x daily with a 4 class 772ER replacing the 3 class 763ER that operated W11/12 on the BA105/BA104 rotation. BA105/BA104 - Will not operate from 07JAN13 to 03FEB13
Jeddah - Flights will continue to operate 5 x weekly. However operational days will change from x36 to x12.
Kuwait - Daily 747 will operate W12/13.
Moscow - Longhaul operation continues for W12/13 with the Hi-J 747 & 2 x 3 class 763ER daily introduced for S12 continuing to operate for W12/13
Riyadh - Capacity will be increased with a 747 replacing the 772ER and new schedule will be introduced for W12/13. Details of schedule change below:
Until 27th October
BA263 LHR 21:50 RUH 06:00(+1) 777 D
BA262 RUH 07:40 LHR 12:25 777 D
From 28th October
BA263 LHR 12:20 RUH 21:30 747 D
BA262 RUH 01:10 LHR 05:20 747 D
Tel Aviv - From 28th October flights will move from T5 to T1 and the 1 x daily 4 class 772ER and 1 x Daily 3 class 763ER operated in previous seasons will replaced by a up to 20 x weekly 2 class A321 service (see note). The change in operation aircraft type result in the following capacity changes in each cabin from 28th October
F - Will no longer be available. BA offered up to 98 seats weekly prior to the equipment change
J - Weekly capacity will drop by just over 9% from 504 to 460 seats
W - Will no longer be available. BA offered up to 448 seats weekly prior to the equipment change
Y - Weekly capacity will increase by just over 29% from 1855 seats to 2620 seats per week
Tbilisi - A former BD routes that BA have decided to continue to operate. Flights will operate daily from LHR T1 on a 2 class A321 (see note).
BA159 LHR 19:05 TBS 03:55 321(+1) 321 D
BA158 TBS 10:35 LHR 12:15 321 321 x135
BA158 TBS 15:30 LHR 17:10 321 321 135
Tehran - A former BD routes that BA have decided to continue to operate. Flights will operate 4 x weekly from LHR T1 on a 2 class A321 (see note) via Tbilisi
BA159 LHR 19:05 - 03:55(+1) TBS 04:55(+1) - IKA 05:50(+1) 321 x247
BA158 IKA 07:15 - 09:20 TBS 10:35 - LHR 12:15 321 x135
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OTHER DESTINATIONS
Accra - Flights ex ACC will land just over 1 hour earlier at 05:25 compared to W11/12. Flights will operate 3 x weekly (Days 1, 4 & 7) on a 3 class 777-200ER & 4x weekly on 4 class 777-200ER. Flights operated daily on a 4 class 777-200ER during W11/12.
Cape Town - Flights will once again operate 2 x daily. The morning departure from CPT that operated during W11/12 will move to a evening departure.
BA043 LHR 17:35 CPT 07:00(+1) 747 D
BA059 LHR 19:30 CPT 08:55(+1) 747 D
BA058 CPT 20:50 LHR 06:25(+1) 747 D
BA042 CPT 22:20 LHR 08:00(+1) 747 D
Delhi - 3 class 772ER will replace the previously planned 747 on the BA257/BA256 rotation
Entebbe - Flights will reduce from 5 x weekly operated during W11/12 to 3 x weekly.
Freetown - Former BD destination and a NEW route to the BA network starting W12/13. Flights will operate 2 x weekly ex LHR T5 on a 3 class 763ER. Flights operated up 3 x weekly ex LHR T1 on a A332 during S12
BA137 LHR 22:30 FNA 05:25(+1) 767 36
BA136 FNA 11:00 LHR 17:30 767 47
Hong Kong - Planned increase in frequency to 17 x weekly will now not go ahead. Flights to remain 2 x daily ( 1 x 747 & 1 x 77W).
Johannesburg - Planned increase in frequency to 17 x weekly will now not go ahead. Flights to remain 2 x daily on a 747
Luanda - Flights will remain 2 x daily. A 4 class 772ER will replace the 3 class 772ER that operated 1 of the weekly frequencies last winter.
Lusaka - Remains 3 x weekly. Flights will depart LHR on days 2, 5 & 7 for the W12/13 season compared to 3, 5 & 7 during W11/12.
Mumbai - Will continue to operate 2 x daily.
BA139/BA138 - Daily 77W will operate. Flights operated on a 747 daily W11/12
BA199/BA198 - Daily 747 will operate. Flights had previously been planned to operate on a 4 class 772ER.
Seoul - 6 x weekly service will begin 02DEC12. Flights will be operated by a 4 class 772ER
Shanghai- 6 x weekly 4 class 772ER will operate. Was previously planned to operate 4 x weekly on a 4 class 772ER and 2 x weekly on a 3 class 772ER.
Accra - Flights ex ACC will land just over 1 hour earlier at 05:25 compared to W11/12. Flights will operate 3 x weekly (Days 1, 4 & 7) on a 3 class 777-200ER & 4x weekly on 4 class 777-200ER. Flights operated daily on a 4 class 777-200ER during W11/12.
Cape Town - Flights will once again operate 2 x daily. The morning departure from CPT that operated during W11/12 will move to a evening departure.
BA043 LHR 17:35 CPT 07:00(+1) 747 D
BA059 LHR 19:30 CPT 08:55(+1) 747 D
BA058 CPT 20:50 LHR 06:25(+1) 747 D
BA042 CPT 22:20 LHR 08:00(+1) 747 D
Delhi - 3 class 772ER will replace the previously planned 747 on the BA257/BA256 rotation
Entebbe - Flights will reduce from 5 x weekly operated during W11/12 to 3 x weekly.
Freetown - Former BD destination and a NEW route to the BA network starting W12/13. Flights will operate 2 x weekly ex LHR T5 on a 3 class 763ER. Flights operated up 3 x weekly ex LHR T1 on a A332 during S12
BA137 LHR 22:30 FNA 05:25(+1) 767 36
BA136 FNA 11:00 LHR 17:30 767 47
Hong Kong - Planned increase in frequency to 17 x weekly will now not go ahead. Flights to remain 2 x daily ( 1 x 747 & 1 x 77W).
Johannesburg - Planned increase in frequency to 17 x weekly will now not go ahead. Flights to remain 2 x daily on a 747
Luanda - Flights will remain 2 x daily. A 4 class 772ER will replace the 3 class 772ER that operated 1 of the weekly frequencies last winter.
Lusaka - Remains 3 x weekly. Flights will depart LHR on days 2, 5 & 7 for the W12/13 season compared to 3, 5 & 7 during W11/12.
Mumbai - Will continue to operate 2 x daily.
BA139/BA138 - Daily 77W will operate. Flights operated on a 747 daily W11/12
BA199/BA198 - Daily 747 will operate. Flights had previously been planned to operate on a 4 class 772ER.
Seoul - 6 x weekly service will begin 02DEC12. Flights will be operated by a 4 class 772ER
Shanghai- 6 x weekly 4 class 772ER will operate. Was previously planned to operate 4 x weekly on a 4 class 772ER and 2 x weekly on a 3 class 772ER.
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BA winter 12/13
Thanks a lot for this comprehensive listing, BAladdy! Are the former BD destinations ADD, ATQ, EVN and KRT now gone? Good to see that many of BD's ex-BMED routes have remained.
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I believe there was some restriction on operating to Tehran - something along the lines of 'the flag carrier' of the UK in this instance cannot operate. Hence why bmi operated it rather than BA. Might have got this story wrong though, I just remember reading it somewhere.
There was some concern that Tehran might have to be canned if BA couldn't get the traffic rights. Fortunately, common sense seems to have prevailed and BA have been allowed to operate there.
There was some concern that Tehran might have to be canned if BA couldn't get the traffic rights. Fortunately, common sense seems to have prevailed and BA have been allowed to operate there.
