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Old 29th Oct 2011, 21:21
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Given that the schedule on Thursday needed the whole fleetnoff blocks on the first wave, there's no leeway in the schedules at all. The absence of aircraft meant a delay to the morning LCY-ZRH whilst Titan brought a 146 over to LCY to cover. Are they going to max out next summer too or are they going to have more aircraft?
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Menorca, Loire Valley and Brittany added to the BA LCY summer route network:

Summer Sun - London City - British Airways
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Old 7th Feb 2012, 10:58
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Well done to BA for finding two regional French airports (Quimper and Angers) that BE don't fly to from SOU!
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Does make you wonder why BA havnt picked up the ex SZ LCY-NQY route, from what i understand the loads were always quite good, surely it could be operated on an E170 ?

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Similarly LCY-GCI? With lots of Channel Islands based BA frequent fliers, it does surprise me. But then I suppose there is significant loyalty to Aurigny. Any thoughts?
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Hold pool

Does anybody happen to know if many are set to leave cityflyer and if the holdpool could see any movement soon? Any idea of numbers in the pool?

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Similarly LCY-GCI? With lots of Channel Islands based BA frequent fliers, it does surprise me. But then I suppose there is significant loyalty to Aurigny. Any thoughts?
I think NQY, GCI & JER could all work on the E170.

I know that BA already serve JER but the LGW and LCY markets are totally different, and a well timed JER-LCY would also allow for onward connections to JFK on the babybus

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JER already served by SI.
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Well done to BA for finding two regional French airports (Quimper and Angers) that BE don't fly to from SOU!
What is, perhaps, noteworthy, is they've opted for two new destinations that are firmly in the territory of CityJet's LCY network which now has a large number of regional French airports.
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Old 7th Feb 2012, 22:41
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JER already served by SI.
I have no word on how SI are doing on this route, however it was brave of them to set it up in the face of stiff competition to LON, especially with the failure of VG on the route several years ago.

IMHO BA would make an absolute killing to LCY. An early JER-LCY, with an immediate return would pick up massive support from the many Frequent Fliers at either end of the route, who are still traveling to LGW with BA even tho SI already serve the route (points mean prizes!!).

Of course this would dilute the JER-LGW traffic, but in all honesty this route sticks out like a bit of a sore thumb and I think has potential to be moved back to LHR (it is, after all, mainly business traffic and a significant number of pax catching the bus to LHR)... But that's a different discussion for another thread.
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I think NQY, GCI & JER could all work on the E170.
Does make you wonder why BA havnt picked up the ex SZ LCY-NQY route, from what i understand the loads were always quite good, surely it could be operated on an E170 ?
The yields were not great and it cannibalised the Gatwick service, and we all know how that ended. Not sure a jet on such a short route is the best way to make money. I mean let's face it, Newquay was hardly a roaring success from LGW last time BA tried and it is very seasonal. The best you might get is a thrice weekly summer route. Guernsey is already overserved into London with flybe and Aurigny battering lumps out of each other and Jersey well served from LGW with both BA and flybe.

What is, perhaps, noteworthy, is they've opted for two new destinations that are firmly in the territory of CityJet's LCY network which now has a large number of regional French airports.
We now have :
Pau, Brive, Avignon, Deauville and Toulon with CityJet now Quimper and Angers with BA. It's all getting terribly French in docklands. I wonder if this is the beginning of an attempt to actually force CityJet out.
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Wouldnt be a shame to see direct competition between the two.

Hope Cityjet wouldn't go bust. I like their Avro's.
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battering lumps out of each other
You should see GR's loads from Gatwick... pretty darn good I'd say. BE loads are decent sometimes as well, (but less so). All I'm saying is like JER I'm sure BA could get the upper hand with CI-based Executive Club members - plenty of business pax so yields would be pretty good. They might also inadvertantly take a lump out of Blue Islands' JER-LCY services.

Unfortunately I don't see NQY as a possibility either... it is served very well from LGW and the loads are all right but nothing to write home about when it isn't the height of summer (I used the route in August last year and can see why they continue to operate it, however!).

Angers and Quimper strike me as extraordinary destinations to choose but as you say, it is probably a shot in the direction of Cityjet. However, they might have a tough time this summer trying to make them work and keep the loads up. We'll see.
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You should see GR's loads from Gatwick... pretty darn good I'd say. BE loads are decent sometimes as well, (but less so). All I'm saying is like JER I'm sure BA could get the upper hand with CI-based Executive Club members - plenty of business pax so yields would be pretty good. They might also inadvertantly take a lump out of Blue Islands' JER-LCY services.

Unfortunately I don't see NQY as a possibility either... it is served very well from LGW and the loads are all right but nothing to write home about when it isn't the height of summer (I used the route in August last year and can see why they continue to operate it, however!).

Angers and Quimper strike me as extraordinary destinations to choose but as you say, it is probably a shot in the direction of Cityjet. However, they might have a tough time this summer trying to make them work and keep the loads up. We'll see.
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The new additions to the LCY timetable are great news.

I still think a LCY-MAD service on a Saturday am and a early afternoon MAD-LCY service on a Sunday would make the route more popular with those looking for a weekend in MAD.

The schedule for the new flights are:
London City – Angers 29MAY12 – 06OCT12

BA8469 LCY0815 – 1020ANE E70 6
BA8469 LCY1130 – 1335ANE E70 24

BA8470 ANE1100 – 1105LCY E70 6
BA8470 ANE1415 – 1420LCY E70 24

London City – Mahon/Menorca 25MAY12 – 28SEP12

BA8749 LCY0945 – 1300MAH E90 15
BA8749 LCY1215 – 1530MAH E70 3

BA8750 MAH1345 – 1500LCY E90 1
BA8750 MAH1400 – 1515LCY E90 5
BA8750 MAH1620 – 1735LCY E70 3

Day 3 service operates from 11JUL12 to 05SEP12

London City – Quimper 30MAY12 – 09SEP12

BA8747 LCY1130 – 1335UIP E70 3
BA8747 LCY1415 – 1620UIP E70 7

BA8748 UIP1415 – 1420LCY E70 3
BA8748 UIP1700 – 1705LCY E70 7
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You should see GR's loads from Gatwick... pretty darn good I'd say.
I have done at first hand, however they continue to subsidise losses, underwritten by the States of Guernsey Government. It's not a wholly commercial operation, unlike flybe and BA. Great airline though and I am not arguing that subsidies in this case are wrong, just saying good loads at GR does not equate to profits for BA if they launch Guernsey.
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Hold Pool

Does anyone have an answer for Van G on the hold pool question?

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Old 13th Mar 2012, 04:04
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VCE's Summer 2012 seasonal timetable was published at the weekend. This is usually the extremely accurate source when it comes to flight ops from the airport.

Venice Airport - Save S.p.A.

The schedule show the return of BACF's weekly Saturday charter flight from GLA.

The timetable also shows a 6 x Weekly service operating between STN and VCE starting the 17th September and running through until the end of the Summer 2012 schedule. The flights are showing as operating under the flight numbers 8479 & 8480. Both flight numbers are classed under BA's flight number list as used for BA Cityflyer scheduled services. Does anyone have know if in fact this will be a new destination from LCY and not STN.

Note: When flights are operated by a subsidiary or franchise carrier VCE airport use that carriers own 2 letter/digit IATA code. So flights are shown on the schedule as CJ8479/CJ8480.

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Old 13th Mar 2012, 04:45
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BACF Summer 12 Charter Schedule.

BACF's Summer charter program seems to be taking shape. So far BACF are shown as operating the following routes

Friday

GLA-PMI-GLA x 2 (06:00 & 14:45 Departures)

Saturday

EDI-BLQ-EDI *
EDI-FAO-EDI
EDI-IBZ-EDI

GLA-AGP-ABZ-AGP-GLA
GLA-ALC-GLA
GLA-PMI-GLA x 2 (07:30 & 15:10 Departures)
GLA-REU-GLA
GLA-VCE-GLA

MAN-CAG-MAN

Sunday

EDI-PMI-EDI

GLA-BCN-GLA
GLA-IBZ-GLA
GLA-AGP-GLA
GLA-PMI-GLA

MAN-OLB-MAN**

* = Info found via this link: British Airways opens seasonal charter Bologna-Edimburgh - Italy Airline News - AirSpace blogs - Aviation & Aerospace Blogs - FlightGlobal

** = Info found here :Flights

Does anyone know of any other routes/flights that BACF will op charter services during the upcoming Summer season??.

BACF op a aircraft ex STN last summer, but can't find any info on flight ex STN this summer. Is there any planned??
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Does anyone know who the tour operators are who are chartering these flights this summer?
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