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Old 9th Feb 2016, 22:28
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Originally Posted by SealinkBF
I didn't suggest that Ryanair were going to panic.
Minor Passenger carrying Airline starts 4 routes from Stansted.
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Old 20th Feb 2016, 09:54
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BACF are operating some BA mainline flights ex LGW over the next couple of weekends using a E90. Detail below

Sunday 20th February & Sunday 6th March

BA2931 EDI-LGW
BA2956 LGW-GLA
BA2959 GLA-LGW
BA9259P LGW-EDI

Friday 26th February & Friday 4th March

BA2943 EDI-LGW

Saturday 27th February & Saturday 5th March

BA2770 LGW-JER
BA2771 JER-LGW
BA2938 LGW-EDI
BA2939 EDI-LGW
BA2946 LGW-EDI

Sunday 28th February

BA2931 EDI-LGW
BA2958 LGW-GLA
BA2959 GLA-LGW
BA2940 LGW-EDI

Someone on another forum has posted the following question in regards to BACF operating ex LGW.

Is this permitted under the SCOPE agreement?.

Anyone know the answer to this question?

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Old 20th Feb 2016, 11:22
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It's a commercial wet lease which is acceptable.

What's not acceptable is city flyer operating its own schedules at LGW or LHR


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Old 25th Feb 2016, 13:51
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SCOPE is dead. RIP.

As I understand it, the SCOPE agreement is to protect BA pilots from being undercut by lower cost companies within the BA group / franchises, being introduced on their routes.

So SCOPE doesnt allow Cityflyer to fly anything over 100 seats out of LGW or LHR ( Except for ACMI ) but Iberia, Iberia Express, Veuling, and Aer Lingus can.

mmmmmm !
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Old 25th Feb 2016, 16:33
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I haven't seen the letter of the agreement but I wonder if IAG are being a little more aggresive to see how far they can push this before BALPA kick off.

CFE have a rather good product if only they could offer it at LHR/LGW to balance demand and off peak capacity.
Ironice as they're originally a Gatwick based operation if you trace them via BA CONNECT back to CitiFlyer Express.
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Old 13th Mar 2016, 16:23
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BACF will add HAM and TXL from LCY and a weekly STN to TXL from from mid June

London City to Berlin

BA8491 LCY 08:20 TXL 11:00 E90 x67
BA8493 LCY 12:55 TXL 15:40 E90 135
BA8493 LCY 13:15 TXL 15:55 E90 24
BA8495 LCY 18:10 TXL 20:55 E90 x6

BA8490 TXL 07:05 LCY 07:50 E90 x67
BA8492 TXL 11:35 LCY 12:20 E90 135
BA8492 TXL 12:00 LCY 12:40 E90 24
BA8494 TXL 16:50 LCY 17:40 E90 x6

London City to Hamburg

BA3291 LCY 08:20 HAM 11:00 S20 x67
BA3293 LCY 11:45 HAM 14:25 S20 6
BA3293 LCY 13:25 HAM 16:05 S20 x67
BA3295 LCY 18:20 HAM 21:00 S20 x67
BA3295 LCY 18:40 HAM 21:20 S20 7

BA3292 HAM 07:10 LCY 07:50 S20 x67
BA3292 HAM 10:10 LCY 10:50 S20 6
BA3294 HAM 12:15 LCY 12:55 S20 x67
BA3296 HAM 17:10 LCY 17:50 S20 x67
BA3296 HAM 17:30 LCY 18:10 S20 7

London Stansted to Berlin

BA2299 STN 13:05 TXL 15:55 E90 7
BA2298 TXL 21:40 STN 22:30 E90 5
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Old 15th Mar 2016, 18:20
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EI are to lease a E90 this summer to operate ex DUB, According to a post on the Dublin thread. Anyone know when the lease starts and begins?.
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Old 30th Mar 2016, 14:47
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According to The BA Source, G-LCYV the newest and BACF's first secondhand E190 has flown from EDI to LIS for maintenance.

I thought BACF's maintenance was mostly carried out in WAW or STN. If I remember rightly this aircraft was last sent to LIS just before entering service. Is there any particular reason this aircraft has flown to LIS on this occasion?.
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New route in LCY for this summer:

Alicante - London City with 4 weekly flights eff 27 June

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Old 31st Mar 2016, 16:36
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Originally Posted by BAladdy
According to The BA Source, G-LCYV the newest and BACF's first secondhand E190 has flown from EDI to LIS for maintenance.

I thought BACF's maintenance was mostly carried out in WAW or STN. If I remember rightly this aircraft was last sent to LIS just before entering service. Is there any particular reason this aircraft has flown to LIS on this occasion?.
It's going for a mod to have a cabin divider fitted
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Old 31st Mar 2016, 17:52
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Seems BA CityFlyer has lost the cost control ethos of its Gatwick CityFlyer Express roots. In those days the cabin divider and necessary engineers would have been brought to the aircraft rather than incur the cost of flying the aircraft to the divider.
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Old 31st Mar 2016, 19:56
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Originally Posted by willy wombat
Seems BA CityFlyer has lost the cost control ethos of its Gatwick CityFlyer Express roots. In those days the cabin divider and necessary engineers would have been brought to the aircraft rather than incur the cost of flying the aircraft to the divider.
It doesn't have CityFlyer Express routes, it comes from BA Connect which had nothing to do with CityFlyer.
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Old 31st Mar 2016, 21:07
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It doesn't have CityFlyer Express routes, it comes from BA Connect which had nothing to do with CityFlyer.
Would you care to check the Companies House website before making that totally incorrect statement? The CityFlyer entity trading at London City today is the same legal company (02571224) incorporated in 1991 which traded at Gatwick. All of the aircraft used by BA CityFlyer at LCY in its formative stages were also CityFlyer Express ones!
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Old 31st Mar 2016, 21:47
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It may be the same legal company, but that company lay dormant for a number of years. The former Cityflyer Express operation was merged into LGW short-haul. The RJ100s were shipped out to British Airways' regional out-stations at MAN and BHX, allowing their respective B737/A319 fleets to move down to LGW/LHR. So after the takeover Cityflyer Express ceased to exist as an operating company, and was merged into BA mainline at LGW in 2001.

When BA Connect, the former Manx/Brymon/Loganair/BRAL/BA CitiExpress operation was sold to flybe in 2007 the fairly recent LCY operation was the only part of the operation not included in the sale. However flybe did not need BA Connects Manchester head office. So the Manchester head office of BA Connect together with the EDI/LCY bases crews formed the genesis of the new BA Cityflyer AOC.

So BA used the legal vehicle of the former Cityflyer Express to form the new airline in 2007, as most staff/aircraft/routes of BA Connect became part of flybe.
That said, the management, offices and staff were from BA Connect. And while some of the aircraft may have been operated by the old Cityflyer Express early in their lives, they had all been part of BA Connect for 6 years before the new LCY-based BA Cityflyer came into existence.

There is no direct link between BA Cityflyer and Cityflyer Express in terms of company staff, infrastructure or aircraft. Using the old Cityflyer Express no doubt saved some money over setting up a brand new legal entity - the old Cityflyer Express had been dormant for 6 years when BA Cityflyer was formed out of the remnants of the BA Connect operation.
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Old 1st Apr 2016, 09:46
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None of which changes the primary point that it is (almost) always more cost effective to bring the parts and engineer(s) to the aircraft rather than vv.
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Old 1st Apr 2016, 15:02
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And while some of the aircraft may have been operated by the old Cityflyer Express
All of them actually, it was the entire new build fleet of RJ100s that had been operated from Gatwick. So aircraft, callsign and livery, and surely some crew as well?
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Old 1st Apr 2016, 15:51
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All of them actually, it was the entire new build fleet of RJ100s that had been operated from Gatwick. So aircraft, callsign and livery, and surely some crew as well?
There were 2 RJ85s, not from Cityflyer Express, but on checking they turned up the following year. Livery is a very tenuous point, it's the BA livery. Definitely not crew. Cityflyer Express crew became part of the LGW mainline operation in 2001. The RJ100s when they moved to MAN/BHX were flown by the previous MAN/BHX mainline pilots who had previously flown the 737/A319s respectively.

In the intervening years between 2001 and 2007, operation of the RJ100s became part of the BA CitiExpress/BA Connect fleets, and crewed by their pilots.

6 years later when BA Cityflyer was formed out of the former BA Connect, that's how the RJ100s were able to retain the 110 seat configuration; they had previously been a mainline aircraft. The new E190 fleet was restricted to 99 seats by scope.

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Old 2nd Apr 2016, 00:27
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CityFlyer operated as a BA Franchise, the RJs flew in BA colours all the time they were based at LGW. But you say tomato and I say tomatoe. Heritage is a funny thing, like "BeaLine Echo Lima" towing at LHR. Go figure....
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Old 10th Apr 2016, 07:39
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Just noticed that on Jethro's fleet listing that BACF are now planning to add a further 3 E90's to there fleet over the coming months. 2 of the aircraft are currently in service with the Brazilian carrier Azul Lineas Aereas. The first of these 2 aircraft is expected to arrive in June.

BA Cityflyer Fleet List

Can anyone confirm if this info is accurate. I thought that BACF were planning on adding a second ex Republic Republic Airways E90. Has this deal has fallen through?.
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Old 23rd Apr 2016, 15:17
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BACF will take over the LCY-HAM route from Sun-Air on the 8th May. I see that the flights are no longer showing as being operated by a Eastern Airways for BACF using a S2000.

Flights are now showing as being operated by Mhs Aviation for BACF using a 31 seater D328. With both CE and ET products still being offered.

The D328 will operate to HAM through until 5th September 2016, when it will be replaced by a T3 S2000

Mhs Aviation currently operates the service for Sun-Air however flights currently only offer a ET service.
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