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I think Sky Conductor has clarified the situation. I've yet to see the OCC depart from a one aircraft one stand policy regardless of aircraft size. This brings me back to my original point. Let's resurrect the proposal for a small General Aviation Park that was muted in 2008. If traffic starts to go back towards 3 million, we are going to need extra stands given that unlike back in 2006, the vast majority of flights at Cork are now conducted by based aircraft and they're all going to come home at night. It's quite probable that we'll have 5 A320's 3 738's, 3 ATR's even with modest growth.
Throw in a Charter or two and the Fedex Freighter and there won't be too many stands left for biz jets.
Throw in a Charter or two and the Fedex Freighter and there won't be too many stands left for biz jets.
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Aprons for commercial jets obviously need a lot of concrete, with reinforcing etc, and will not be cheap. Aprons for smaller bizjets or GA type aircraft could surely be built for reasonable money though? The gross weight of a C172 is no more than that of an empty Ford Fiesta!
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And we need a new GA ramp for? Seriously yourselves should put in writing to the CAA about your concerns which are non-existent. I'd have thought you'd realise funding for expansion if the furthest thing from their mind considering we are NOT at capacity and at a time where all of our jobs are under-threat, you guys are concerned by parking aircraft? Get a grip for yourselves. 
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My understanding is that there is but one stand at Cork available for widebody aircraft parking.
Is this correct?
In the first year the Munster rugby team qualified for the Heinken Cup Final at one point there were two 747-200s on the ground together briefly yet in the year the Corsair 747-400 came to Cork she, as I understand it, was not able to land until a Monarch A300-600 or a 767 departed.
Is this correct and if so what happened in the mean time that a widebodied aeroplane may, possibly, not be on the ground as another widebody?
How was such a decision decided upon and by whose authority - the Dublin Airport Authority, the Cork Airport Authority? What contribution, if any, did the Irish Aviation Authority have on the decision?
In a sense it is easy to see why Jack1985 is so galled by these questions - it is rather pedantic all right though on the whole still relevant. Cork Airport now competes with an even freer to operate Shannon Airport with it's own version of independence not to mention the midnight busses to Dublin Airport which are quite likely taking from the potential of Cork Airport's own catchment area.
Is this correct?
In the first year the Munster rugby team qualified for the Heinken Cup Final at one point there were two 747-200s on the ground together briefly yet in the year the Corsair 747-400 came to Cork she, as I understand it, was not able to land until a Monarch A300-600 or a 767 departed.
Is this correct and if so what happened in the mean time that a widebodied aeroplane may, possibly, not be on the ground as another widebody?
How was such a decision decided upon and by whose authority - the Dublin Airport Authority, the Cork Airport Authority? What contribution, if any, did the Irish Aviation Authority have on the decision?
In a sense it is easy to see why Jack1985 is so galled by these questions - it is rather pedantic all right though on the whole still relevant. Cork Airport now competes with an even freer to operate Shannon Airport with it's own version of independence not to mention the midnight busses to Dublin Airport which are quite likely taking from the potential of Cork Airport's own catchment area.
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Jack, we cannot go back to the days when multinational companies, high spending tourists and visiting Soccer Teams were told that their aircraft would have to park somewhere else. This policy will limit growth and jobs at the airport and also affects the image of the wider Cork region. The IAA stand map on an earlier post is very revealing. I accept that there is a greater degree of flexibility on it than in the past but I still think we should plan for growth so that we won't be playing catch up in a few years time.
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@Jack1985 calm down man. Given the issues that have gone before with parking, it is reasonable to debate this point, and in any event, all I was asking was what the cost would be. I'm not advocating it as something to be put at the top of the list for investment.
With you patrolling the board like that people won't bother posting here.
And of course...I'm sorry....imagine if the airport spent something on development or growth when it could spend it on staff. It exists for the staff after all?! The overstaffing in certain areas (I will not generalise to say all because I know it's not true) and certainly the overpay (vs market) in other areas would make the private sector blanche.
With you patrolling the board like that people won't bother posting here.
And of course...I'm sorry....imagine if the airport spent something on development or growth when it could spend it on staff. It exists for the staff after all?! The overstaffing in certain areas (I will not generalise to say all because I know it's not true) and certainly the overpay (vs market) in other areas would make the private sector blanche.
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Jack1985 - you do need to calm down and respect the concerns and opinions of others. You stalk the Cork thread and shoot-down anybody who you simply do not agree with. I for one have never posted on the thread as I don't always get the sense that I would get a fair hearing.
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Now that Aerlingus have ruled out a feeder service from Cork to Dublin, hopefully Cork based companies and Cork people in general will make a conscious attempt to support the BA codeshare through Heathrow and the KLM codeshare through Schiphol when travelling to North America.
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There are many more options available through Heathrow and Amsterdam and in any event I wouldn't fancy a two hour drive from Shannon after a transatlantic flight or worse still a 3 hour plus drive on the motor way from Dublin. I've met several people who've tried that option and they felt dangerously tired as a result.
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New route to East Midlands !
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Are we really surprised that they've ruled out a Cork-Dublin feeder? Not sure it's such big news.
Hopefully Ryanair will see through to the re-launch of East Midlands this winter, and let's hope they won't be getting any subsidies for it.
Hopefully Ryanair will see through to the re-launch of East Midlands this winter, and let's hope they won't be getting any subsidies for it.
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I've done the drive down from Dublin after an overnight business class flight from Chicago and I had to pull up in Cashel for a rest and a coffee.
Coming from Shannon is not so bad. The fact it isn't motorway makes it harder to fall asleep.
Shannon is likely to be attractive to companies based around the airports it has direct flights to, but for any other destinations, it will be easier to take a single connection in LHR or AMS
Looking at the major US multi-nationals with Cork operations and how they relate to US entry points from Ireland, it's not a huge number who have their HQs in the areas served by Shannon
Boston: EMC
New York: Pfizer, Johnson & Johnson
Washington DC: Marriott
San Francisco: Apple, Avery Dennison, McAfee, VMWare
Seattle: Amazon
From that list, a feeder for the San Francisco flights could have delivered decent numbers to that flight
Regarding the Ryanair flights to East Midlands, I assume we are talking about a based aircraft? I believe that after the 2nd one turned up last year it wasn't 100% utilized, so that would suggest that there is scope. It probably eliminates the possibility of EIR adding extra BHX flights.
Coming from Shannon is not so bad. The fact it isn't motorway makes it harder to fall asleep.
Shannon is likely to be attractive to companies based around the airports it has direct flights to, but for any other destinations, it will be easier to take a single connection in LHR or AMS
Looking at the major US multi-nationals with Cork operations and how they relate to US entry points from Ireland, it's not a huge number who have their HQs in the areas served by Shannon
Boston: EMC
New York: Pfizer, Johnson & Johnson
Washington DC: Marriott
San Francisco: Apple, Avery Dennison, McAfee, VMWare
Seattle: Amazon
From that list, a feeder for the San Francisco flights could have delivered decent numbers to that flight
Regarding the Ryanair flights to East Midlands, I assume we are talking about a based aircraft? I believe that after the 2nd one turned up last year it wasn't 100% utilized, so that would suggest that there is scope. It probably eliminates the possibility of EIR adding extra BHX flights.
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Regarding the Ryanair flights to East Midlands, I assume we are talking about a based aircraft? I believe that after the 2nd one turned up last year it wasn't 100% utilized, so that would suggest that there is scope. It probably eliminates the possibility of EIR adding extra BHX flights.
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Cork East Midlands has an interesting recent history. BMI Baby launched it in 2002 before switching to Birmingham in 2005. They then relaunched it in late 2009 in what was welcomed by the DAA as the first sign of green chutes at ORK following the dramatic collapse in traffic during that year. Alas they withdrew within a few months and the much heralded green chutes were no where to be seen. Maybe the frost during the savage winter of 2009/10 got them!
Ryanair previously operated ORK EMA in late 2007 and for most of 2008. Then they announced their withdrawal from the route along with ORK PIK after the DAA refused to alter their incentive scheme. They then launched it for Winter 2012/3 but it was quietly withdrawn some weeks later and never actually operated. Let's hope it's a case of 3rd time lucky!
Ryanair previously operated ORK EMA in late 2007 and for most of 2008. Then they announced their withdrawal from the route along with ORK PIK after the DAA refused to alter their incentive scheme. They then launched it for Winter 2012/3 but it was quietly withdrawn some weeks later and never actually operated. Let's hope it's a case of 3rd time lucky!
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green "chutes"
840.....thanx for an enlightening history lesson on the last 10 years or so of BMI /FR services to /from EMA /PIK and just for clarification that we dont totally confuse the genuine non English speaking fraternity I think , perhaps, you mean "green shoots"..............