CORK - 5

[ryan2000]

The one that got away

KLM 777 set to become the 1st of its type to land at Cork this morning but for some reason it ended up in Shannon. It had a sick passenger on board.

[francis omahony]

Francis OMhony

HIJACKED
yesterday for the second time in a month Shannon hijacked a cork plane
the a/c was operating ORK BRS SNN BRS ORK but it ended up operating ORK BRS SNN BHX SNN BRS ORK because the SNN went tech the plane returned to Ork after 10pm more than 4 hours late and then go to EDI snn do not care how late the cork pax are delayed I think this is just unfair and should not be allowed

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by francis omahony

I think this is just unfair and should not be allowed

You comment that "snn do not care how late the cork pax are delayed" - what does SNN have to do with this? Do you think that Shannon Airport are running ops control for Aer Arann?

So please tell us: what should the RE Ops people have done when an aircraft went tech yesterday? ("They should have had a spare aircraft" is not a valid answer: yes, that would have avoided the problem, but they don't). Given the existing constraints, how should they have handled it better? Is your problem that Cork passengers were delayed, or that they were delayed because of a problem that happened to occur at Shannon?

[840]

In fairness, there's a report in today's Examiner about how passengers from Boston to Shannon were stuck because their aircraft was sent to operate a flight from Dublin.

It can happen at any airport.

[ryan2000]

Aerlingus and Aer Arann flight delays

The practice of commandering aircraft to operate flights as back up aircraft at other airports seems to be a recent development. Whatever happened to the practice of hiring in aircraft to operate delayed flights. Still investistigating how the KLM 777 ended up in Shannon after the Captain requested a diversion to Cork. Time will tell.

[francis omahony]

Francis OMahony

CRYANO
I expect the same thing to happen as if it was the Cork A/C went tech,we would not get a snn plane to do our route Shannon's last RE flight landed before the CORK EDI flight left Cork What is the difference to have a late flight at Snn and more than likely pax from the canx Snn EDI flight were bused to cork and the return flight also it is not good enough for me

[Charlie Roy]

Fares high on BRU route must be doing well

I also notice a particularly high level of advance seat selection a sign that the route is also bringing in the money with ancillary revenues

[francis omahony]

Francis OMahony

any more info on KLM b777 diversion why it went to SNN when the pilot said ORK

[ryan2000]

It seems to be due to the strenth of the main runway at Cork. Pilot requested Cork as it was the nearest airport and it was a medical emergency . Not sure what happened next yet.

[Jack1985]

Aer Lingus to discuss Winter Expansion at Cork Airport with CAA

I was talking to my source at Aer Lingus again this week and asked of course how Brussels was doing. He said the route is performing ''very, very'' well and that it would definitely continue into Winter 11/12 to become a year-round route if discussions with the CAA prove successful. This is of course is to do with increasing based units in Winter Months from 3 to 4. I asked him could he roughly produce a schedule which would work for Aer Lingus in the Winter Months a time of year which suffers from low demand and is compounded by our current fiscal standing. Having looked at it I think it could also definitely prove successful. I noted the Brussels route could be increased from 3X weekly to 6X weekly which would be operated by an A319. This would represent an increase of weekly seat capacity on the route from 522 seats per week to 864, an increase of 342 seats per week. The Cork-Geneva route would be increased to 3X weekly, and Cork-Faro would continue during Winter. Cork-Munich would also increase to 3X weekly, all of this however is just a rough sketch up by my source and I might add none of it is confirmed. I asked if Brussels could continue to operate if 3 units remained at Cork Airport during next Winter and my source said it was unlikely to do so unless a Dublin based unit done a W route (i.e. DUB-BRU-ORK-BRU-DUB). He said if 3 units were to remain at Cork next Winter the schedule would be on Par with last year.

A/C 1 - A319:
EI840 DEP ORK 0600 ARR AMS 0845 MTWTFSS
EI841 DEP AMS 0940 ARR ORK 1025 MTWTFSS

EI822 DEP ORK 1115 ARR CDG 1400 MTWTFSS
EI823 DEP CDG 1445 ARR ORK 1530 MTWTFSS

EI846 DEP ORK 1650 ARR BRU 1930 MTWTF-S
EI847 DEP BRU 2015 ARR ORK 2100 MTWTF-S

EI844 DEP ORK 1705 ARR AMS 1950 -----S-
EI845 DEP AMS 2045 ARR ORK 2130 -----S-

A/C 2 - A319:
EI882 DEP ORK 0645 ARR AGP 1030 M-W-F-S
EI883 DEP AGP 1110 ARR ORK 1305 M-W-F-S

EI836 DEP ORK 0710 ARR MUC 1035 -T-T-S-
EI837 DEP MUC 1130 ARR ORK 1300 -T-T-S-

EI814 DEP ORK 1350 ARR LGW 1510 MTWTFSS
EI815 DEP LGW 1545 ARR ORK 1705 MTWTFSS

EI850 DEP ORK 1745 ARR GVA 2050 -T-T--- From 04-Dec-12 To 28-Mar-13
EI851 DEP GVA 2130 ARR ORK 2245 -T-T--- From 04-Dec-12 To 28-Mar-13

EI896 DEP ORK 1750 ARR FAO 2020 -T-T-S- From 30-Oct-12 to 29-Nov-12
EI897 DEP FAO 2100 ARR ORK 2340 -T-T-S- From 30-Oct-12 to 29-Nov-12

EI856 DEP ORK 1750 ARR ALC 2130 --W---- From 31-Oct-12 to 28-Nov-12
EI857 DEP ALC 2210 ARR ORK 2350 --W---- From 31-Oct-12 to 28-Nov-12

EI896 DEP ORK 1750 ARR FAO 2020 --W--S- From 01-Dec-12 To 30-Mar-13
EI897 DEP FAO 2100 ARR ORK 2340 --W--S- From 01-Dec-12 To 30-Mar-13

EI868 DEP ORK 1800 ARR BCN 2115 M---F-S
EI869 DEP BCN 2155 ARR ORK 2325 M---F-S

A/C 3 - A320:
EI710 DEP ORK 0720 ARR LHR 0850 MTWTFSS
EI711 DEP LHR 0945 ARR ORK 1100 MTWTFSS

EI712 DEP ORK 1150 ARR LHR 1310 MTWTFSS
EI715 DEP LHR 1405 ARR ORK 1520 MTWTFSS

EI722 DEP ORK 1600 ARR LHR 1720 MTWTFSS
EI723 DEP LHR 1815 ARR ORK 1930 MTWTFSS

EI724 DEP ORK 2010 ARR LHR 2130 MTWTFSS
EI725 DEP LHR 2215 ARR ORK 2330 MTWTFSS

A/C 4 - A320:
EI874 DEP ORK 0650 ARR TFS 1105 --W----
EI875 DEP TFS 1205 ARR ORK 1615 --W----

EI872 DEP ORK 0700 ARR LPA 1110 ------S
EI873 DEP LPA 1210 ARR ORK 1615 ------S

EI876 DEP ORK 0715 ARR ACE 1110 -T-T-S-
EI877 DEP ACE 1210 ARR ORK 1610 -T-T-S-

EI802 DEP ORK 0750 ARR FCO 1145 M---F--
EI803 DEP FCO 1240 ARR ORK 1500 M---F--

EI856 DEP ORK 1700 ARR ALC 2040 -----S- From 03-Nov-12 to 24-Nov-12
EI857 DEP ALC 2120 ARR ORK 2300 -----S- From 03-Nov-12 to 24-Nov-12

EI850 DEP ORK 1700 ARR GVA 2005 -----S- From 01-Dec-12 To 30-Mar-13
EI851 DEP FAO 2045 ARR ORK 2200 -----S- From 01-Dec-12 To 30-Mar-13

EI844 DEP ORK 1705 ARR AMS 1950 MTWTF-S
EI845 DEP AMS 2045 ARR ORK 2130 MTWTF-S

[francis omahony]

Francis OMahony

B777

I think this is a lame excuse, for a one off landing the runway strength does not matter but of course in ireland rules look different from EVERYWHERE ELSE

[francis omahony]

Francis OMahony

interesting reading on RTE aertel to day
1 EI pax up for march 8.2%

2 both snn and ork to have 28,000 pax for easter w/e
as ork has almost twice the flights as snn the L/f at snn must be very, VERY high and very low at cork

[DannyKelly22]

i know the cork flight mock up was just that i guess if EI were to keep 4 based units at ORK, last winter they had 4 based units with one parked but came in handy for disruption to operations, however i don't see where the A319s r coming from, i can possibly see one, with maybe a reduction at BFS to 1x a319 and 1xa320. i would like to think that they keep the 2x319s and 1xa320 at bfs this winter, but don't see where the other a319s r potentially coming from as the other 2 from ib arent due to summer schedule next year (march13) unless has this been brought forward?

[Jack1985]

i know the cork flight mock up was just that i guess if EI were to keep 4 based units at ORK, last winter they had 4 based units with one parked but came in handy for disruption to operations, however i don't see where the A319s r coming from, i can possibly see one, with maybe a reduction at BFS to 1x a319 and 1xa320. i would like to think that they keep the 2x319s and 1xa320 at bfs this winter, but don't see where the other a319s r potentially coming from as the other 2 from ib arent due to summer schedule next year (march13) unless has this been brought forward?

It would mean BFS would be reduced to 2X A320 next winter. All this however as I have said is unconfirmed.

[840]

2 both snn and ork to have 28,000 pax for easter w/e
as ork has almost twice the flights as snn the L/f at snn must be very, VERY high and very low at cork

I'm very dubious about those figures.

28,000 is 7,000 a day.

Multiply that by 364 and you have a bit over 2.5 million. i.e. It wouldn't be much different from any other 4 day period in Cork. That doesn't sound exceptionally likely for a 4 day weekend during the school holidays.

Similarly, the 213,000 figure for Dublin works out at a bit over 19 million a year when you multiply it out. That's scarcely above Dublin's annual figure.

[Charlie Roy]

EI846 DEP ORK 1650 ARR BRU 1930 MTWTF-S
EI847 DEP BRU 2015 ARR ORK 2100 MTWTF-S

Such a Brussels schedule would be ideal for business and leisure.
Business: You can fly to Brussels the evening before and spend a long day the next day. Leisure: No need to take a day off for a weekend in Brussels / Bruges / Antwerp etc

[francis omahony]

Francis OMahony

hear loads on ORK/BRU 74%

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Cork-Gevena has being removed from Aer Lingus website.

[francis omahony]

Francis OMahony

137485 passengers in cork for february snn 74765

[fjr13]

Feb passenger numbers just out,+3.7%.Some others, Dub -1.8%,Snn -25.6% yikes!Francis O Mahony, are you TTTs West Cork cousin?