IRELAND WEST AIRPORT KNOCK
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Originally Posted by mart901
I hear all those points but it does seem like you are trying to find every way to say there shouldn't be flights from the US to NOC. Surely if NOC can attract an airline and make it work, whats the issue? Whilst I agree NOC is not exactly the epicenter of global aviation its done very well in the last few years and whilst the arguments for being business friendly and having links to say LHR do carry some weight, I think if it was likely to happen it would have done by now. Given that the airport has 3 daily flights to LON, daily to BHX, up to daily MAN,LPL,EDI,BRS and various scheduled and charter sun routes even Turkey this year why on earth not the US? Its much more likely to win on a US run than trying to flog a dead horse on european routes or yet another LON flight.
I smell a twinge of fear in some of the posts on here, that NOC may take from DUB or SNN, otherwise why the fuss? If you think it will fail don't worry, thats a mistake NOC would have to live with.
I smell a twinge of fear in some of the posts on here, that NOC may take from DUB or SNN, otherwise why the fuss? If you think it will fail don't worry, thats a mistake NOC would have to live with.
In any case (and this applies to other airports such as ORK, BFS, and even SNN), I'm just saying it makes better economic sense to have high frequency long-haul flights through a major hub airport such as DUB rather than have them spread across multiple airports, which will not only reduce frequency of service but also yield, and we could end up with a lower number of overall flights as a result, and that's without mentioning the impact on businesses.
You mentioned the situation in the UK with everything going through Heathrow. The UK is a country of 60 million people, so it makes perfect sense that cities such as Manchester, Birmingham, and Edinburgh could sustain long-haul flights in addition to services via London. Even taking the whole island of Ireland, it still only has a population of just under 7 million. So you're not comparing like-with-like. Even with the business and cultural links with the US, Ireland cannot sustain flights to the US from multiple airports. Right now, apart from Newark, Shannon can't even sustain year-round flights and Belfast can't even support a daily flight on it's only US link. Some of Dublin's US routes are also only seasonal. So the idea that NOC could sustain it's own network of transatlantic routes and that this would have no effect on overall services to the country is madness.
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Thats a good argument as well dubinaviator. Indeed the UK is around 60 million. Question I would put forward is though just how many million Irish have emigrated to the US over the years. That one most probably would make the mind boggle. Does NOC really need numerous services a week to the US, or would a weekly maybe even seasonal NOC-JFK or Boston service not give NOC the boost it needs without affecting anywhere else greatly? I don't think NOC or SNN would ever vastly affect DUB on transatlantic no matter what the offering, and I don't see history or government involvement at SNN as a reason for NOC not having transatlantic services. If deregulation is good enough on european services the same should be applied to transatlantic, after all DUB could offer a lot more global services than what it does, given all the emigration further afield in recent years.
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Just ask your selfs will 16 seats in Business and all cargo capacity be filled from NOC daily/weekly. If you can't fill those two then there is no hope and thats what airlines will look at. Economy is just the icing on the cake for carriers.
People who live in Galway and Midlands, if they find cheaper prices from DUB or SNN over NOC and lets face it with lots of competition from DUB and SNN cheaper flights are a guarantee and journey times are more less the same they will go for DUB or SNN.
Having a T/A service will force NOC to open for an arrival at 07.00 (if you want decent connections from the US airport).
We live in Ireland, not the UK or Europe who's population is much larger and carriers like Delta can't even make MAN-JFK work.
People who live in Galway and Midlands, if they find cheaper prices from DUB or SNN over NOC and lets face it with lots of competition from DUB and SNN cheaper flights are a guarantee and journey times are more less the same they will go for DUB or SNN.
Having a T/A service will force NOC to open for an arrival at 07.00 (if you want decent connections from the US airport).
We live in Ireland, not the UK or Europe who's population is much larger and carriers like Delta can't even make MAN-JFK work.
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Good news on the pmi but a bit worried we might not be hearing about any route announcements from ryanair.it's getting a bit late.
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Ryanair have announced Malaga from April 4th, 1x weekly.
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Also RTE TV series Retail Therapy aired last night, filmed at IWAK earlier in the year while upgrading the airports retail offering:
Feargal Quinn's Retail Therapy - RTÉ Player
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Also RTE TV series Retail Therapy aired last night, filmed at IWAK earlier in the year while upgrading the airports retail offering:
Feargal Quinn's Retail Therapy - RTÉ Player
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Great about AGP being added. Can't help but think it will take from ALC and FAO + EI at SNN to FAO. Wise move to operate 1 weekly by FR.
Luton is showing daily for the summer was only 5 or 6 a few weeks ago.
Luton is showing daily for the summer was only 5 or 6 a few weeks ago.
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Looks like more news in the next few weeks. NOC made a comment about new routes on there FB page and when asked on twitter they said hopefuly will be news soon but couldn't give any further details. Anyone want tonspeculate what new routes might be.
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Possibly the return of either or both of the Euro routes, Majorca to compete with the new charter offering or a small scale expansion from Lufthansa - maybe a second weekend run to/from a German city.
Obviously something like an expansion in services to London would be great but, if there is anything, I'd say those above would be most likely.
Obviously something like an expansion in services to London would be great but, if there is anything, I'd say those above would be most likely.
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Malaga at last all be it 1 wkly . Management said on local radio that if it proves popular freq will be increased. Flybe figures for November have fallen for their two routes and all others have increased. I still think a lot of marketing needs to be done for the flybe routes to create brand awareness . We will wait and see what the other new routes will be !